Interesting Statistic


outlaw_member (Forum Member) on January 24th, 2013, 7:29 pm

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Not a complete surprise that we lead the way in Europe in terms of errors.

Also, it's quite interesting that the most unreliable defences tend to be from England, completely blowing away the notion of strong English defences.
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mo50 (Elite Member) on January 24th, 2013, 7:32 pm

Any idea how they defined what an error is? I can't see how a team like Freiburg haven't made an error all season.
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Bigbludfire (Forum Member) on January 24th, 2013, 7:43 pm

Shocking on the English defences part, but you can see why because it's the teams that try to play actual football with less resources. I'm curious on Napoli's part though, they play 3 at the back don't they? out of those 18 goals let in how was one not an error?
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darkgunner (Forum Member) on January 24th, 2013, 8:11 pm

Bigbludfire wrote:Shocking on the English defences part, but you can see why because it's the teams that try to play actual football with less resources. I'm curious on Napoli's part though, they play 3 at the back don't they? out of those 18 goals let in how was one not an error?


What about Stoke? :shock:

mistaT (Trusted Member) on January 24th, 2013, 8:12 pm

Meh.

Lack of penalties could mean coward defenders who step off in the 18 yard box.

Absence of own goals could be due to **** defenders not putting in a last second tackle.

Not buying in tooooo much here
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Bigbludfire (Forum Member) on January 24th, 2013, 9:02 pm

darkgunner wrote:
Bigbludfire wrote:Shocking on the English defences part, but you can see why because it's the teams that try to play actual football with less resources. I'm curious on Napoli's part though, they play 3 at the back don't they? out of those 18 goals let in how was one not an error?


What about Stoke? :shock:


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He did actually score 2 own goals though :lol:
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Wouterus (Forum Member) on January 24th, 2013, 10:03 pm

Who decides what is an error and what isn't? Basically all goals come from errors. Catania conceded 27 goals in the league, and only one is an error? What a joke. This stat is as subjective as it gets.
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mavelous (Trusted Member) on January 25th, 2013, 1:49 am

individual error like koscielny slipping and giving a striker one-on-one. in contrast to, say, west ham goal the other day - it was just a crazy shot, we tried to block it, szcz couldn't reach it. it was just a well-placed shot, not one's error. podolski's goal too, he just saw an opening, placed a shot - no one could block it, GK couldn't reach it. nothing much you can do
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Airknight (Forum Member) on January 25th, 2013, 2:32 am

The point is our errors are obvious, like the Jenkinson one vs Swansea, or the one by Fellaini where our whole defence makes a series of horrible passes and he gets the ball and shoots.

Organization problem.

Bossa (Forum Member) on January 25th, 2013, 3:50 am

Koscielny alone must have made at least 4 errors. The guy needs to get his act together. Great player but you no matter how great he can still **** up out of nowhere. You can say the same about Vermaelen.

They are not bad players but the amount of risk that they take is unbelievable.
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US_Gooner (Forum Member) on January 25th, 2013, 4:24 am

No offense intended but those "statistics" are, at best, ill-conceived or, at worst, disingenuous.

Mark Twain, who had this to say about extrapolating from fact, wrote:In the space of one hundred and seventy-six years the Lower Mississippi has shortened itself two hundred and forty-two miles. That is an average of a trifle over one mile and a third per year. Therefore, any calm person, who is not blind or idiotic, can see that in the Old Oolitic Silurian Period, just a million years ago next November, the Lower Mississippi River was upwards of one million three hundred thousand miles long, and stuck out over the Gulf of Mexico like a fishing-rod. And by the same token any person can see that seven hundred and forty-two years from now the Lower Mississippi will be only a mile and three-quarters long, and Cairo and New Orleans will have joined their streets together, and be plodding comfortably along under a single mayor and a mutual board of aldermen. There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.

The Jury (Forum Member) on January 25th, 2013, 4:34 am

Who did he play for? I bet he smoked that green stuff.

jerome2158 (Forum Member) on January 25th, 2013, 5:54 am

The only questionable category here is "error" and even that can sometimes be very clear cut. Slip and put an attacker through? Error. Misplaced pass to an attacker? Error. Etc etc.
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Cudareli (Forum Member) on January 25th, 2013, 6:38 am

jerome2158 wrote:The only questionable category here is "error" and even that can sometimes be very clear cut. Slip and put an attacker through? Error. Misplaced pass to an attacker? Error. Etc etc.


You can't score a goal without there being an error from the opposition.

Even if you take a lenient view on this, the occurance of errors is still huge. What if a defender dives in when he should have jockied? What if a player missques a clearance and the opposition scores 8 passes later? What if a player slips, his man crosses the ball and someone else scores?

There are so many possible scenarios that could be classed as errors.
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jerome2158 (Forum Member) on January 25th, 2013, 6:55 am

True, but this only looks at the defenders. Or so I thought? Now that I look at it closely, it never seems to specify.

I'd love to know their classification of an error. If it was simply like...the CB slipped, they scored. Fine. But it becomes nonsense when you categorize things like a midfielder losing the ball, then 26 passes later they score.
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el57 (Forum Member) on January 25th, 2013, 8:59 am

It's not super shocking that EPL doesn't have the tightest defenses. EPL games tend to be a bit off the cuff and more physical, which doesn't lead to a more defensive game but a more exciting one. It's sad that EPL watchers still are convinced that their defenses are the most difficult, even though one need only look at Champions League/Europe League/International football to see that strong defenders are present all over Europe.

The whole notion that La Liga has no defense is completely off, usually just used as a basis to downplay Barcelona's outrageous performances.
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Sam the Duck (Forum Member) on January 25th, 2013, 11:33 am

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The chart is from this blog: http://experimental361.com/
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Shadow Moses (Forum Member) on January 25th, 2013, 3:43 pm

Koscielny is accountable for at least 50% of those
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