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Arsène Wenger: Same Old Class
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I think it was very poor, many do. I look at the league table for this season, see that we are 16 points off fourth place and I think it was very poor.
I'm not going to try and force the opinion on anybody though so we can leave it there.
Country: Australia
I did see Marcotti on twitter who is a times columnist
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It's not really rock solid they wanted to sack him , seem speculative.
Country: England
Love how even a top Euro journo like Marcotti bows down to the ornicle.
Country: Iceland
How can those guys come up with stuff like this?
"Wenger believed they were"
How do hes know what Wenger believe? Are they friends who talk about stuff like that on regular basis?
Country: Australia
My guess they spoke to one of Wengers mates . Whether the board was going to sack him Ornstein doesn't seem to think so .
Gunners4life
Definitely Not RonaldoMadness
Arsène Wenger was overruled by Ivan Gazidis and Sven Mislintat over Alexis Sanchez swap
Arsène Wenger realised his time at Arsenal might be up when he was overruled in the January window over which player to demand in exchange for Alexis Sanchez.
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Arsène Wenger realised his time at Arsenal might be up when he was overruled in the January window over which player to demand in exchange for Alexis Sanchez.
Source (Metro)
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Everything points towards Wenger being respectfully told/asked if would like to leave.
Football is his life, he loves the club and he has unwavering belief in his abilities. He always stands by his contracts and everyone can agree that if he's one thing he's a man of principles. Moves have been made to change the club structure while he was already here and it was strongly implied that the seasonal objective was to challenge for the league/finish in the CL spots. The mood around the club was dour, we became a talking point amongst Europe and for the wrong reasons too. In addition, reports indicate he'll be getting a pay off and lastly this is the kind of resignation that happens in many high profile posts so there's precedent for it.
A lot of evidence and common sense points to this being a respectful nudge from the board but if you don't want to believe that then fair enough, no need to act like a little baby about it though. It's the ones who take the moral high ground who always seem to be the ones actually causing arguments.
P.S. The Times is legit.
P.S.S. Ornstein being the clubs official mouthpiece means you have to sometimes take his words with a pinch of salt. Nothing to do with 'narratives' and 'agendas' you drama queens.
Football is his life, he loves the club and he has unwavering belief in his abilities. He always stands by his contracts and everyone can agree that if he's one thing he's a man of principles. Moves have been made to change the club structure while he was already here and it was strongly implied that the seasonal objective was to challenge for the league/finish in the CL spots. The mood around the club was dour, we became a talking point amongst Europe and for the wrong reasons too. In addition, reports indicate he'll be getting a pay off and lastly this is the kind of resignation that happens in many high profile posts so there's precedent for it.
A lot of evidence and common sense points to this being a respectful nudge from the board but if you don't want to believe that then fair enough, no need to act like a little baby about it though. It's the ones who take the moral high ground who always seem to be the ones actually causing arguments.
P.S. The Times is legit.
P.S.S. Ornstein being the clubs official mouthpiece means you have to sometimes take his words with a pinch of salt. Nothing to do with 'narratives' and 'agendas' you drama queens.
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That makes even less sense.. The board wasn't going to sack him, but Wenger believed they were
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The people who have been abusing Wenger for years must be seething reading a thread that has nothing but praise for the great man. So they're clinging to anything negative they can latch onto at this stage.
Wenger being sacked is about it, oh, and he's been very poor.
Gegen Pressing
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It's BS indeed.
Wenger felt the best chance to win the EL was to sacifice himself. Genius move imo. In chess you sacrifice your queen to better your position...
Wenger sacrificed the whole game for a chance to save his legacy.
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Awful post.The people who have been abusing Wenger for years must be seething reading a thread that has nothing but praise for the great man. So they're clinging to anything negative they can latch onto at this stage.
Wenger being sacked is about it, oh, and he's been very poor.
And I rarely say stuff like that.
SpecialAgentVenga
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Apparently Wenger doesn't have any mates lol
BobP
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Are you seriously arguing that The Times is a poor source?
What's incredible is how the likes of you start frothing, to use @Makingtrax's favourite word, at the mere suggestion that Wenger could have been forced out.
So sensitive.
Are you seriously arguing that The Times is a poor source?
What's incredible is how the likes of you start frothing, to use @Makingtrax's favourite word, at the mere suggestion that Wenger could have been forced out.
So sensitive.
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Leave it mate. I like them both as posters but there are certain topics/times where there's just no point trying to debate with them. They're both 'full-froth' at the moment.@carlito'sway
Are you seriously arguing that The Times is a poor source?
What's incredible is how the likes of you start frothing, to use @Makingtrax's favourite word, at the mere suggestion that Wenger could have been forced out.
So sensitive.
say yes
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1. I didn't mention any of those papers. That's either an awful strawman or you're being deliberately dense.
2. I said the respectable papers are reporting it. You clearly know who the respectable papers (as they are all the ones you didn't mention). Why have you chosen to deliberately ignore my point?
The Times: Arsène Wenger told after 22 years: go or be sacked
The Times said:
The Independent: Arsène Wenger walked out on Arsenal to avoid the sack and would be open to the right managerial job
The Independent said:
The Guardian: Wenger jumped because he feared push from Arsenal board
The Guardian said:
And yes. All the tabloids that you helpfully posted above are also reporting the same story. Including the likes of John Cross who people often treat as oh so reliable on Arsenal.
3. To be fair to you Carlito, I thought I should also include all the respectable papers who are reporting that Wenger jumped completely of his own volition:
4. Yeah.
5. But what about Jeremy Wilson I hear you wimper? I thought that he's never given 'any credence to this nonsense'. And he outweighs all the other journalists outlined above.
Well about that:
Forced. Upon. Arsène Wenger.
Seems like he's saying the same thing as all the others to me. He's certainly not contradicting them.Jeremy Wilson said:
6. Ornstein's the only one not running with this story about how it happened. But the thing is that Ornstein isn't running with any story about how it happened. As @American_Gooner has pointed out, he's a reporter not a journalist.
This is a good illustration for me:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43841645
Ornstein said:
Orstnein is being completely open about the fact that he doesn't know how the decision was made. Crucially, he has not dismissed the reports about him jumping before he was pushed.
7. I understand that this is an emotional couple of days for you, as one of the 0.8% on this forum who somehow still thought that Wenger was the right man for the job. That's no excuse for this genuinely pathetic posting however. The news isn't just the stories that you agree with.
If you want to reply do so with facts (notice how I've added quotes and links for you?), not this tedious 'fake news' dribble.
KROENKE SUCKS
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Wenger was forced out, thats why he wasn't allowed to address the press himself and had a statement by the club prepared for him instead. Its disgraceful. The man gets sacked for missing out on Cl once in 20 years. They couldn't even give him a chance to win the Uefa Cup before deciding. After all he has done for the club, after all the big clubs he has turned down for us...
SpecialAgentVenga
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Wenger has himself been very proud of the fact that he never resigned from any job and has always honoured his contracts.
Suddenly it is announced that he will be leaving a year before his contract expires and that suggests to me that either he has health problems or that he was asked to step down or be sacked anyway.
The likely scenario is that the board told Wenger that sacking him is the last option they want to take, but unfortunately, they simply can't see him stay on for another year and unless he agrees to step down at their request, they will have to terminate his contract in the summer and kind of end their relationship on bad terms. Wenger is intelligent enough to at this point realise that stepping down is the only sensible option for him to take. I'm sure once he writes his book, it will mentioned that he only resigned because the club told him to do so.
Suddenly it is announced that he will be leaving a year before his contract expires and that suggests to me that either he has health problems or that he was asked to step down or be sacked anyway.
The likely scenario is that the board told Wenger that sacking him is the last option they want to take, but unfortunately, they simply can't see him stay on for another year and unless he agrees to step down at their request, they will have to terminate his contract in the summer and kind of end their relationship on bad terms. Wenger is intelligent enough to at this point realise that stepping down is the only sensible option for him to take. I'm sure once he writes his book, it will mentioned that he only resigned because the club told him to do so.
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