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He was good when that generation broke though but apart from that and qualifiers he didn't do much in major tournaments. In fact, the tournament Germany actually won he was practically useless.
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Mesut Özil: 2019/20 Performances
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Country: Nigeria
Player:Saliba
Muller is a fair shout. But I think Özil was better than Klose and Gomez in their trophy win
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Country: Nigeria
Player:Saliba
I didn't say 5 or 6 other players were more influential in Germany's rise than him. He was very much instrumental to the rise of the great German team of the last decade.
But I'm saying that he wasn't instrumental to their trophy win
L3T5 PL4Y
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Muller was a clear protagonist since his emergence. Klose and Gomez had their fair shair of contribution compared to Özil's impact.
Looks entertaining on paper but would Özil have been able to adapt to the physicality of the EPL even back then?Iirc Wenger was in contact with Özil and told him he'd like him at Arsenal, but Real came in and obviously had the bigger draw. There still was Cesc at 10, but back then you could've still played Özil at left wing, as he often did for Bremen, or Cesc deeper again in central midfield. Only cost 18m, too. Guess there was no money and the wings stacked with Nasri, Walcott, Vela, Arshavin.
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Nasri Özil Walcott
Cesc Song
The same EPL rough and tumble he has struggled to deal with since he joined Arsenal.
That’s the only question I can ask. He always seems like a very sensitive personality.
But anyway, what happened to that Özil from Bremen? To be honest I have never actually followed the Özil journey like most of you. I would watch a madrid game here and there when Mourinho was there. So watched bits and pieces of Özil back then.
The only Özil I know proper is the Arsenal Özil 2013-2020...)
But watching clips of him in his Bremen days show a complex different player to the one I have watched in his Arsenal career.
Country: Nigeria
Player:Saliba
TBF, Özil was an engine back then. I don't but for some reason he lost that physical edge before he came here.
He used to be quite fast. He used to be able to handle physicality. A 20 year old Özil was a beast
Country: Nigeria
Player:Saliba
Playing for a small team back then, he was expected to carry a lot of responsibility. Going to Madrid, there were many big personalities he could defer to.
From the age of 24, I started to see a drop in his intensity.
He just became more focused on playing killer balls when he could have done so much more with the ball. He became one dimensional. If you could block Özil's passing lanes, he was done. He could no longer take matters into his hands.
Some of the great AMs like Kaka, Cesc and even KDB now used to let fly from distance if there was no team mates to pass.
GDeep™
League is very weak
Anyone think there is a possibility of him extending if he has a decent season next year? Even a year extension.
People will say he’ll go to Turkey but I’m not sure, think he might feel claustrophobic there.
People will say he’ll go to Turkey but I’m not sure, think he might feel claustrophobic there.
GDeep™
League is very weak
Decline from the age of 24 but he was nominated for Ballon D’or at 25, and got the most assists in Europe touching 26. 
Country: Nigeria
Player:Saliba
The only way the club will extend him if he has a decent season is if there is significant cut in his wage
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Player:Gabriel
I convinced him to take a decent cut in FM 20, over to you Raul!
GDeep™
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Obviously there will be a massive cut in wages, no matter where he goes.
If you say so. I can only rate Özil on the little bits and pieces I saw of him during the Mourinho time at Madrid. So I can’t talk too much about his Bremen and Madrid times. The only full on Özil I know is the Arsenal one.
I asked that question about about his fitness and physicality because he has struggled to this day to adjust to theEPL. May be the Bremen 21 year old Özil would have been more suited. Madrid seem to haw had the luxury to just play him for 65-70 minutes and sub him.
And he must have been good in his Madrid days because I remember there was this little online / Youtube who is better “Iniesta vs Özil” going on. May be that is how I was drawn in to watch some of the Barcelona vs Madrid matches to see who this Özil youngster was. Being compared to a footballing legend like Iniesta he must have had something in him.
It used to be Messi vs Ronaldo and Özil vs Iniesta. Which is the most talented duo etc.
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Obviously Iniesta was better. It was just a partisan/bias debate by Madrid and Barca fans.And he must have been good in his Madrid days because I remember there was this little online / Youtube who is better “Iniesta vs Özil” going on. May be that is how I was drawn in to watch some of the Barcelona vs Madrid matches to see who this Özil youngster was. Being compared to a footballing legend like Iniesta he must have had something in him.
It used to be Messi vs Ronaldo and Özil vs Iniesta. Which is the most talented duo etc.
I do think Özil didn't really need a coach like Wenger. He had his best individual season under Wenger. But Özil needed a coach that could challenge him
I just feel like the Arsenal Board has had enough of the Özil circus. I feel like they just can’t wait for his contract to end.
Him refusing to accept 12% freeze on his wages like his fellow teammates during the Covid-19 lockdown might have been the last straw for the Powerful men upstairs.
But you never know, strange situations are not impossible.
Maybe
You're wrong, no?
I would say it will depend on how ESR develops. If he stays fit and shows some potential then there is no reason for Özil to stay anymore, but that didn't happen so far mostly because of the injuries.
I think this virus situation will leave the club with no money to spend so it will be hard to bring anyone better than Özil and ESR is the only inside man that can replace him
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Not really. When he moved to Real Madrid, Guardiola was asked why he didn't go for Özil and he replied he had doubts Özil could even cope physically in La Liga. Mourinho regularly subbed him off nearly every game.
Real Madrid thought he was disposable for good reason while he ended up at Arsenal rather than at a super club and Real's success post Özil is pretty evident.
Wenger actually got something of him and improved him specially that Leicester title win season but his physicality was always a doubt.
I called it here 2 season earlier that he was finished and nobody worth the bother is going to come in for him seriously during his contract situation. We should've have tried to sell that summer really.
Jury
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He won’t accept one here on a 1 year extension. Doesn’t matter what he does next season, they don’t want anyone on 350k—particularly with the return we get and all the other distractions that surround him. He’d need to post Messi numbers for the club to reconsider.
The club is probably sick of him, once his contract is up its hasta la vista. Our marquee signing next summer needs to be a new number 8/10.
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