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Loss PL: Manchester United 3 - 1 Arsenal | Sunday, September 4 | KO: 16:30 BST | Sky Sports



Utd vs Arsenal pre-match thread

So the Gooners are firing on all cylinders, leading the table after 3 games and the atmosphere around their club is overwhelmingly positive. Whereas we had two dreadful matches followed by a much needed tonic against the scouse and trending in the right direction.



We've got to play Southampton and Leicester but the game I'm really looking forward to is Arsenal at Old Trafford. I really think that match will set the tone for our season and shape the top 4 fight - also the transfer market will be closed by then as well so no more distractions hopefully.



I think it'll be good to see if Arteta is hype or the real deal but I'm fully confident we can smash them. Plus it's always fun to beat the Gooners in a match that might mean something for a change after a decade.

Arsenal have beaten who they should beat while we lost against who we should beat and beat who we should have lost against.



I'm not convinced by Arteta at all, the hype is pretty hilarious for someone who has won diddly squat.

My brother unfortunately is an Arsenal fan and it’s always a fun fixture when we play them. I’m hoping after the Liverpool game we’ve found our feet and start getting points on the table and smash those Gooners. Hopefully they go back to being Arsenal and have dropped points by then…

Antony will destroy the ‘super-intelligent’ Zinchenko, who is terrible defensively.

What hype is there around Arteta? I think he's done a good job but never seen anybody over hype him. Just reference to it on RedCafe.



They've outplayed us a lot of times in recent years, so it'll be interesting to see if we can assert dominance this time.

Want to beat these ****'s more than any other team



The most arrogant delusional fanbase of all PL teams. By far. Also the most arrogant delusional Manager that Ole has finished above twice but Arteta is the Messiah.

Martinez will pocket Scabby Jesus.

Last year we were AWOL collectively, so I don't recall. We generally beat you when it counts though, so I expect an Arsenal capitulation on Sunday

After Liverpool there’s no one in the league I enjoy United beating more than these lot. Hope we can smash them

Let’s give them a cup final like they always seem to do with us

If Maguire will plsy, we are fecked with all their movement and speed.

If not; we will trash them.

I will not be able to take the media and fan hyperbole if Arsenal play well in this game.

Stop Ødegaard getting the ball and mark Jesus tightly, don't allow him to drop into the hole uncontested.



Apart from that it'll be 1v1 battles with Malacia v Saka and Dalot v Martinelli

The thought of Arsenal being good again really, really bothers me. I think it bothers me more than Liverpool being good again, which I’ll put down to my age and having grown up throughout the Wenger-Ferguson years.



Let’s bring them down to size.

Arsenal winning the league is slightly preferable to another City or Pool win.



My god their fans would be annoying though.

Why are we talking about the Arsenal game before the Leicester game?



We could be back to square one after the game tomorrow. We need to start taking it one game as it comes.

I hope Zinchenko plays. He and Arsenal will be in for a bit of an awakening at some point this season. To me, he lacks the athleticism to play full back for teams where they actually have to compete. I’d rather Antony make his debut against Zinchenko than James Justin, who I think he’s far more likely to struggle against.

Arse has a hell of a team and it is likely they win because they are playing great ball right now and we are still building our identity.



Also it's not Jesus who concerns me most. Martinez will handle him just fine and is actually one of the best CF matchups to take him on in the box. The problem will be Martinelli vs Dalot, that is the matchup that favors them most. When they have possession their left side and how well Dalot can handle it will be a big determiner of who wins this game. Ødegaard is a beast too but I think he will be largely slowed by Case, so this game hinges on that left side when Arse has the ball. Huge game for Dalot and Varane and for us to win that right side requires defensive wins like we had from Malacia vs Liverpool.



I actually expect us to keep it tight for much of the game but it's unlikely we pull it out they just have too much firepower and are playing so well. I just hope it is close and competitive.

Arsenal fans are only a tiny bit less annoying than Liverpool fans, but that’s outweighed by the fact that I know way more arsenal fans. Genuinely can’t stand the thought of them becoming good again.

Will be a tough one for sure, Arsenal have been irrelevant for a while but right now they're a towering behemoth of footballing brilliance.



I just hope we can match them for the first 30 minutes and our players don't become too disheartened when we're forced to give Lego Pep a standing ovation at half time.
 

bergholt

Well-Known Member

Country: Australia
Goal conversion of players with 3 or more goals so far this season:

40%+: Mac Allister (44%), Gross (43%), Sterling (43%), Haaland (42%), Zaha (40%)
35%+: Ødegaard (38%), Rashford (38%)
30%+: Toney (33%), Kane (31%), Moreno (31%), Firmino (30%)
25%+:
20%+: Diaz (23%), Mitrovic (23%), Jesus (20%), Martinelli (20%)

We knew Jesus had relatively poor conversion when we signed him, I guess now we're seeing what that means. He's fun to watch and makes us more dangerous, but is needing twice as many chances as Haaland etc.
 

freeglennhelder2

Established Member

Country: England

Player:Elneny
I've just watched that goal again about 3-4 times and Sambi plays a nothing ball which gifts United possession while all our players are transitioning forward. What an absolute blow, that came after a huge period of dominance.

Thought Sambi did OK overall and TBF we have seen both Partey and to a greater extent Xhaka give the ball away and put us deep in the sh*t a fair few times. Elneny only makes 3 forward passes per season so he is exempt.
 

BergMan

Betrayed by Xhaka
Every player who posted on socials after the game all used a similar tone, and they all used the word “frustrating”. Does Arsenal run the socials for our players?
 

Dennis_Bergkamp_10

Established Member
I'm very proud of Arteta and the team. A few years back we conceded 20+ chances to Watford, now we played Man Utd of the park at OT. Yes we were naive in conceding the goals, but we have to learn from that.
Time to destroy Everton next week to set this right.
 

<<reed>>

Lidl Tir Na Nog
Goal conversion of players with 3 or more goals so far this season:

40%+: Mac Allister (44%), Gross (43%), Sterling (43%), Haaland (42%), Zaha (40%)
35%+: Ødegaard (38%), Rashford (38%)
30%+: Toney (33%), Kane (31%), Moreno (31%), Firmino (30%)
25%+:
20%+: Diaz (23%), Mitrovic (23%), Jesus (20%), Martinelli (20%)

We knew Jesus had relatively poor conversion when we signed him, I guess now we're seeing what that means. He's fun to watch and makes us more dangerous, but is needing twice as many chances as Haaland etc.
6 games is a very small sample size.
Also no way Sterling is keeping those numbers up
 

GoonerJeeves

Established Member
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Country: Norway
Every player who posted on socials after the game all used a similar tone, and they all used the word “frustrating”. Does Arsenal run the socials for our players?
I used the very same word in this thread. It was how it felt. We played well at times, but we didn't take our chances. You could argue we were somewhat naive as well.

Doubt the club runs the players' social accounts, more likely people associated by the players' agencies, for those players who don't do it themselves.

Overall though, there were positives in the performance, just frustrating that we have come away with nought.
 

Dutch D

Well-Known Member & FPL Champion 19/20
I have let the disappointment settle for a bit. I thought we played well, I'm mostly disappointed we didn't pull the trigger more often. I found myself screaming at the telly to shoot a couple of times when Saka and Ødegaard were in dangerous position.

Obviously screwed on the first goal, very soft VAR.

I still think Arteta is poor at substituting, his most important role during the game. Took too long and then went way overboard with a strange mass sub.
 

SomGooner

Prolific Liker
This loss is solely on Arteta.

I cannot blame Lokonga like many of you because the kid had no business being on the pitch as our starting DM in the first place.

Ben White had played as a DM for Brighton many times before, why not play him there and put Tomiyasu at RB?

If our manager had done his homework, he’d have seen that Utd are one trick pony who live & die by the counter attack.

Stay compact, and dare McClanger to play like a peak Zizou.

Arteta bottled it.
 

Kysus

Active Member
Not sure why people are baffled by the triple sub.

Øde and Zinny needed to come off after their injury concerns and Lokonga was too vulnerable with his positioning so switching Xhaka there made sense.
Unfortunately they scored immediately while the players haven't reorganized themselves properly yet and they game was over.
 

freeglennhelder2

Established Member

Country: England

Player:Elneny
Every player who posted on socials after the game all used a similar tone, and they all used the word “frustrating”. Does Arsenal run the socials for our players?
I think it was around the time Ilkay Gundogan was randomly posting pics of Ozils wife that people twigged players have their accounts managed by a 3rd party.
 

berric

Established Member

Player:Trossard
Not sure why people are baffled by the triple sub.

Øde and Zinny needed to come off after their injury concerns and Lokonga was too vulnerable with his positioning so switching Xhaka there made sense.
Unfortunately they scored immediately while the players haven't reorganized themselves properly yet and they game was over.

Answered your own question.

Teta could've eased in the subs instead of completely dismantling the structure at the peak of the battle while we're on the up.
 

Sapient Hawk

Destiny's Hand 🖐🏿
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Country: Saudi Arabia
Paddy has turned Zaha into Henry. Remember his goal at Anfield?

Mateta will bully both Varane and that midget Argentinian clanger.

One can certainly hope Palace beats them.

Paddy & Zaha will both be fired up for this.
 

Bloodbather

Established Member

Country: Turkey
Goal conversion of players with 3 or more goals so far this season:

40%+: Mac Allister (44%), Gross (43%), Sterling (43%), Haaland (42%), Zaha (40%)
35%+: Ødegaard (38%), Rashford (38%)
30%+: Toney (33%), Kane (31%), Moreno (31%), Firmino (30%)
25%+:
20%+: Diaz (23%), Mitrovic (23%), Jesus (20%), Martinelli (20%)

We knew Jesus had relatively poor conversion when we signed him, I guess now we're seeing what that means. He's fun to watch and makes us more dangerous, but is needing twice as many chances as Haaland etc.
Haaland is an anomaly, tbf. His striking ability and knack for sniffing out goalscoring opportunities are insane.
 

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