Hm.....if he e.g. gets sold this summer, he's just won A trophy there, not trophIES.
Cesc has never won the League. Any league.DJ_Markstar said:Ibra, Cesc, Götze, win the league.
Uncle Mike said:Cesc has never won the League. Any league.DJ_Markstar said:Ibra, Cesc, Götze, win the league.
He's a jinx.
Cesc has never won the League. Any league.
He's a jinx.
Doesn't mean he was a good player, only that he was lucky. You know, like Wes Brown.DJ_Markstar said:Silvestre won the treble.Uncle Mike said:Cesc has never won the League. Any league.DJ_Markstar said:Ibra, Cesc, Götze, win the league.
He's a jinx.
SomGooner said:Arsenal board failed Cesc Fabregas and not the other way round.
DJ_Markstar said:You're not laughing, why pretend?
Fabregas was forced to leave in the hunt for trophies, pretty obvious really.
entropy13 said:DJ_Markstar said:You're not laughing, why pretend?
Fabregas was forced to leave in the hunt for trophies, pretty obvious really.
LOL so something that affected the whole team was only able to "force" a few players to leave?
entropy13 said:SomGooner said:Arsenal board failed Cesc Fabregas and not the other way round.
Both are too blame, Cesc cannot be blameless. Are you saying that he was "forced" to leave?
entropy13 said:DJ_Markstar said:You're not laughing, why pretend?
Fabregas was forced to leave in the hunt for trophies, pretty obvious really.
LOL so something that affected the whole team was only able to "force" a few players to leave?
You do have eyes, don't you? There was a knife in Wenger's back, and the Catalan ingrate's fingerprints are all over it.SomGooner said:Contrary to popular belief on A-M, He never refused to play for Arsenal, never faked an injury, never gave less than 100% every time he was on the pitch, never delibrately backheeled the ball to Iniesta like some on here would have you believe and last but not least never held the club hostage.
Not that I disagree/agree with your assessment on Cesc, but your point in regards to board choosing to surround him with average players is untrue. Wenger chooses which players to sign not the board, he persisted with playing players who are not doing a competent job not the board.SomGooner said:entropy13 said:SomGooner said:Arsenal board failed Cesc Fabregas and not the other way round.
Both are too blame, Cesc cannot be blameless. Are you saying that he was "forced" to leave?
Cesc Fabregas would've won countless major trophies for Arsenal FC if he had the right players around him but our penny pinching board CHOSE to surround him with average players who were not even good enough to cut the grass at London Colney let alone win trophies for us.
Completely agree with every paragraph apart from the first. Finally someone talking some sense about Cesc.SomGooner said:entropy13 said:SomGooner said:Arsenal board failed Cesc Fabregas and not the other way round.
Both are too blame, Cesc cannot be blameless. Are you saying that he was "forced" to leave?
Cesc Fabregas would've won countless major trophies for Arsenal FC if he had the right players around him but our penny pinching board CHOSE to surround him with average players who were not even good enough to cut the grass at London Colney let alone win trophies for us.
It's embarrassing to read some of the unfair abuse directed at him on A-M simply because people can't seem to handle the fact that he's joined Barcelona, his boyhood and home town club.
He always said that he'd ONLY leave Arsenal for Barcelona and everyone at AFC knew that one day he'll eventually go back home and join them, We got him for free and sold him for £33M, so what's wrong with that?
Contrary to popular belief on A-M, He never refused to play for Arsenal, never faked an injury, never gave less than 100% every time he was on the pitch, never delibrately backheeled the ball to Iniesta like some on here would have you believe and last but not least never held the club hostage.
He played on and scored with a broken leg, He was constantly rushed back from injuries after literally running him to the ground simply because we desperately needed him to play. He was a warrior and very popular with his team-mates and deep inside you just knew Arsenal had always had a chance of winning the match as long as he was on the pitch regardless the opposition and every team we've played against knew that and tried to stop him by any means neccessary.
I'll always have nothing but genuine admiration and respect for Cesc Fabregas for all that he's done for AFC however, if people want to slander him for the sake of it then that's their prerogative but remember one thing, if the board were seriously interested in returning AFC to it's rightful place where we seriously challenged for trophies consistently every year from August to May then I don't think they'd have turned us into a selling club that celebrates finishing the distant 4th like we've won the double.
Cesc Fabregas has never said one single bad word against Arsenal FC, Arsène Wenger, The fans and his team-mates. in fact he told the whole world that he's what he is because of Arsenal Football Club and continues to speak highly of us at every opportunity which shows how classy he's both on and off the pitch.
Our inability to defend as a team started when Vieira left and Fabregas took over. Quite logical as Fabregas never could defend to save his life. With Fabregas, the balance of the midfield was destroyed. The attitude he showed was that defense was a dirty work that players like him did not had to do. Think about it, when the team was build around Fabregas we became complacent against cannon fodder in the league.DJ_Markstar said:I can never fathom why anyone would think one player is solely responsible for the fortunes of an entire team.
Incorrect. In September 2010 Fabregas said this: "I have never said that I did not want to play for Real Madrid. For me they are a big club and I always consider other objectives."SomGooner said:He always said that he'd ONLY leave Arsenal for Barcelona and everyone at AFC knew that one day he'll eventually go back home and join them, We got him for free and sold him for £33M, so what's wrong with that?
He could not take a bullet for his team when standing in the wall against Tottenham.SomGooner said:He was a warrior
In Europe he helped us control the midfield and I agree that we had a chance to beat every team in CL with Fabregas. Domestically we had a disastrous run against Manchester United and Chelsea during Fabregas captaincy. On the 1st of May 2011 we won without Fabregas against United with a midfield of Song-Wilshere-Ramsey (Ramsey scored the match-winning goal in the 1-0 win). That was our first win against Manchester United in all competetions since November 8, 2008.SomGooner said:deep inside you just knew Arsenal had always had a chance of winning the match as long as he was on the pitch regardless the opposition and every team we've played against knew that and tried to stop him by any means neccessary.
Actions speak louder than words. I would rather have an ex-player being childish himself beefng with childish fans (like Nasri) than an ex club captain that make himself impossible at the club which made him a superstar. Fabregas is a manipulating liar who both wants to have the cake and eat it (I soon expect someone to tell me that Fabregas still loves Arsenal haha). If you leave the way Fabregas did, you more or less burn your bridges with the fans at your former club, unless they live in a dream world where everything is the manager's and board's fault and no player is responsibles for his actions.SomGooner said:Cesc Fabregas has never said one single bad word against Arsenal FC, Arsène Wenger, The fans and his team-mates.
krengon: So how exactly was Nasri a top player but not Sagna or Song?krengon said:entropy13 said:DJ_Markstar said:You're not laughing, why pretend?
Fabregas was forced to leave in the hunt for trophies, pretty obvious really.
LOL so something that affected the whole team was only able to "force" a few players to leave?
It forced the top players to leave
It is equally embarrassing that the Fabregas fanboys can not admit that he left Arsenal in a very dirty way. The abuse directed against Fabregas is generally fair. You reap what you saw. If Fabregas had left the club in a normal way, more Arsenal fans would have wished him well like they did with Clichy. Overmars also left Arsenal to play for Barcelona, but he did not make himself impossible at Arsenal. Overmars left in a normal way where Barcelona paid his real market value.SomGooner said:It's embarrassing to read some of the unfair abuse directed at him on A-M simply because people can't seem to handle the fact that he's joined Barcelona, his boyhood and home town club.