JackTheHack
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JackTheHack
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Haven't watched it since that day in 1998. Always felt dead comfortable from memory, never in doubt.
BobP
Memri Fan
Have been watching season reviews and I've come to the conclusion that Adebayor was a phenomena. Also Van Persie seemed to have started scoring as soon as he joined us, makes you think about how good he would have been if he had stayed clear of injuries.
redanddread
The stone that the builders refuse
An excellent article on TH14 written by a UTD. fan.
http://thesefootballtimes.co/2015/01/10/in-celebration-of-thierry-henry/
http://thesefootballtimes.co/2015/01/10/in-celebration-of-thierry-henry/
GDeep™
League is very weak
Ade was a great when he was tuned in. RvP was a super talent.
wow...his record is par with brogba.
Country: South Africa
Player:Nketiah
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/why-patrick-vieira-wrong-about-Arsène-wenger
Why Patrick Vieira is wrong about Arsène Wenger
27 January 2016
Chas Newkey-Burden points out that the French boss is judicious in his selection of ex-players to bring back to the Emirates...
It’s become something of a mantra: Arsène Wenger freezes out his former players, letting slip a string of opportunities to add their obvious coaching potential to his backroom team. Like several negative narratives about the Arsenal manager, it is profoundly flawed.
Over the weekend it emerged again. In an interview with The Times, Patrick Vieira said of his former employer: “I’ve never been contacted by anyone to manage or get involved with the club. I was expecting something from them, but it didn’t come. It didn’t kill me.”
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Asked which manager had most influence on him, Vieira did not name Wenger
If he sounded a touch passive-aggressive there, he went full-spurned-lover when, asked which manager had most influence on him, he did not name Wenger – the man who shaped his career, under whom he played for nine years, winning seven trophies including the Invincible title.
Mourinho commended
He chose someone else. But that someone else was not even Aimé Jacquet, with whom he lifted the World Cup, nor Roger Lemerre, under whose guidance he added the European Championship.
Instead, he chose Wenger’s arch enemy Jose Mourinho, who he played under for 18 comparatively inconsequential months at Inter Milan. The dig at Wenger was clear. Hell hath no fury like a former Gunner scorned.
image:
Jose Mourinho, Patrick Vieira
Vieira played 12 league games in his and Mourinho's last season at Inter
Yet Vieira is not the first to come over all hurt because of perceived slights from Le Boss. Matt Dickinson of The Times, who conducted the interview, confirms that Tony Adams, Dennis Bergkamp and “at least one other Arsenal stalwart” have privately told him they were surprised to have not been invited back to Arsenal to coach and have complained of their “alienation”.
O'Leary hurt
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Adams took on the mantle, remarking that, among other things, coaching 'isn’t Wenger’s strong point'
The grumbling began when David O’Leary, hurt by the fact that Arsenal – the club for whom he remains the record appearance maker – had not invited him back to the fold following his retirement, made a series of sour digs at Wenger in the late '90s and early noughties, even though he had never played for the Frenchman.
O’Leary’s former centre-back partner Adams took on the mantle, remarking that, among other things, coaching “isn’t Wenger’s strong point”, that the Frenchman is “not a great motivator” and sniffing that when Wenger took over, he “walked into a great squad of players”.
Arsène Wenger with his captain Patrick Vieira
The good old days: Arsène Wenger with his captain Patrick Vieira
To enhance his revisionist hatchet jobs, Adams sometimes combines digs at Wenger with obsequious over-praising of his other former boss, George Graham. From a man who has shown such stature and courage in his career and personal life this might be seen as remarkably petty behaviour.
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Henry coaches
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In the near future, Mikel Arteta, will further disprove the alienation myth
A perception has grown that Wenger freezes out former players but he has, in fact, welcomed back a succession of them. Last year he gave Thierry Henry his first leg-up into coaching with a role in the Arsenal under-18s side. It ended because the former striker sauntered off to Sky Sports. Jens Lehmann, too, has enjoyed a spell training the Emirates kids.
Steve Bould joined the coaching staff in 2001, and has been assistant manager since 2012. In the near future, Mikel Arteta will further disprove the alienation myth. Wenger has vocally encouraged the midfielder to consider a future in management and has begun to ease him towards the coaching side at the club.
Arsène Wenger and four of his 2003-4 Invincibles team
Wenger with four of his 2003/04 Invincibles team
The list goes on: Martin Keown coached the defenders for a while; Gilles Grimandi and Steve Morrow have come back as scouts; Freddie Ljungberg has an ambassadorial position. Wenger has not shut the door on former players, he has just chosen to be selective about when he opens it, rather than mindlessly creating a cosy old boys’ club.
Sharp eye
“
Wenger has a uniquely intimate insight into the mindset of those he has coached
The idea that he has missed out on a conveyor belt of coaching talent could only convince if any of his former players were pulling up trees elsewhere. But they have yet to prove much at all. For instance, in Adams’s 16-match tenure in charge of Portsmouth he accumulated just 10 points, while his 18 months at Azerbaijani club Gabala FC are best, and all too easily, forgotten.
Wenger has a uniquely intimate insight into the mindset of those he has coached. He knows the psychological strengths and weaknesses of each individual, and can judge the merits of their managerial aspirations with that crucial knowledge.
Could it be that he has seen something in Vieira – who punched and spat at players during his Gunners career, before repeatedly disrupting the camp as he angled for a move – which makes him doubt his coaching acumen? Perhaps he also wonders if the navel-gazing Adams, with his endless and epic public discussions of his own character flaws, is managerial material?
As for Bergkamp, when fans dream of the great man as a future Gunners boss they overlook the fact that he’s vowed he will never fly again – a problematic position for a would-be coach of a Champions League club.
It could be argued that any aspiring coach who responds to an obstacle by whining to journalists, rather than rolling up his sleeves and finding a way around it, has already vindicated any doubts Wenger may hold about his suitability.
Dennis Bergkamp, Martin Keown and David O'Leary
Bergkamp and O'Leary have remained outsiders, but Keown has made it into the inner circle
As for the rest of us, we should know better than to be seduced by the impulse that a man who was an excellent player would therefore be an excellent coach. This is such a childish and regularly disproved fallacy that it is hard to know what to say to those who still cleave to it.
Wenger's succession
Football’s narratives are not shaped by feel-good film directors. Retired captains or star strikers cannot automatically slot straight back into their former club as trophy-collecting managers for a grand Hollywood ending.
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Concern among Arsenal fans over how the club intends to handle Wenger’s eventual succession is understandable, particularly given the pig’s ear they made of it at Old Trafford.
But in the meantime, perhaps Vieira & Co., who so thrilled the fans with their playing exploits in the Double-winning and Invincible sides, could call a halt to all their public wound-licking long enough to see if their ‘wounds’ are even half as real as they imagine them to be.
Read more at http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/why-patrick-vieira-wrong-about-Arsène-wenger#eMp7YdOlS2rrMfSi.99
Why Patrick Vieira is wrong about Arsène Wenger
27 January 2016
Chas Newkey-Burden points out that the French boss is judicious in his selection of ex-players to bring back to the Emirates...
It’s become something of a mantra: Arsène Wenger freezes out his former players, letting slip a string of opportunities to add their obvious coaching potential to his backroom team. Like several negative narratives about the Arsenal manager, it is profoundly flawed.
Over the weekend it emerged again. In an interview with The Times, Patrick Vieira said of his former employer: “I’ve never been contacted by anyone to manage or get involved with the club. I was expecting something from them, but it didn’t come. It didn’t kill me.”
“
Asked which manager had most influence on him, Vieira did not name Wenger
If he sounded a touch passive-aggressive there, he went full-spurned-lover when, asked which manager had most influence on him, he did not name Wenger – the man who shaped his career, under whom he played for nine years, winning seven trophies including the Invincible title.
Mourinho commended
He chose someone else. But that someone else was not even Aimé Jacquet, with whom he lifted the World Cup, nor Roger Lemerre, under whose guidance he added the European Championship.
Instead, he chose Wenger’s arch enemy Jose Mourinho, who he played under for 18 comparatively inconsequential months at Inter Milan. The dig at Wenger was clear. Hell hath no fury like a former Gunner scorned.
image:
Jose Mourinho, Patrick Vieira
Vieira played 12 league games in his and Mourinho's last season at Inter
Yet Vieira is not the first to come over all hurt because of perceived slights from Le Boss. Matt Dickinson of The Times, who conducted the interview, confirms that Tony Adams, Dennis Bergkamp and “at least one other Arsenal stalwart” have privately told him they were surprised to have not been invited back to Arsenal to coach and have complained of their “alienation”.
O'Leary hurt
“
Adams took on the mantle, remarking that, among other things, coaching 'isn’t Wenger’s strong point'
The grumbling began when David O’Leary, hurt by the fact that Arsenal – the club for whom he remains the record appearance maker – had not invited him back to the fold following his retirement, made a series of sour digs at Wenger in the late '90s and early noughties, even though he had never played for the Frenchman.
O’Leary’s former centre-back partner Adams took on the mantle, remarking that, among other things, coaching “isn’t Wenger’s strong point”, that the Frenchman is “not a great motivator” and sniffing that when Wenger took over, he “walked into a great squad of players”.
Arsène Wenger with his captain Patrick Vieira
The good old days: Arsène Wenger with his captain Patrick Vieira
To enhance his revisionist hatchet jobs, Adams sometimes combines digs at Wenger with obsequious over-praising of his other former boss, George Graham. From a man who has shown such stature and courage in his career and personal life this might be seen as remarkably petty behaviour.
RECOMMENDED What did George Graham ever do for Arsène Wenger? Here's what...
Henry coaches
“
In the near future, Mikel Arteta, will further disprove the alienation myth
A perception has grown that Wenger freezes out former players but he has, in fact, welcomed back a succession of them. Last year he gave Thierry Henry his first leg-up into coaching with a role in the Arsenal under-18s side. It ended because the former striker sauntered off to Sky Sports. Jens Lehmann, too, has enjoyed a spell training the Emirates kids.
Steve Bould joined the coaching staff in 2001, and has been assistant manager since 2012. In the near future, Mikel Arteta will further disprove the alienation myth. Wenger has vocally encouraged the midfielder to consider a future in management and has begun to ease him towards the coaching side at the club.
Arsène Wenger and four of his 2003-4 Invincibles team
Wenger with four of his 2003/04 Invincibles team
The list goes on: Martin Keown coached the defenders for a while; Gilles Grimandi and Steve Morrow have come back as scouts; Freddie Ljungberg has an ambassadorial position. Wenger has not shut the door on former players, he has just chosen to be selective about when he opens it, rather than mindlessly creating a cosy old boys’ club.
Sharp eye
“
Wenger has a uniquely intimate insight into the mindset of those he has coached
The idea that he has missed out on a conveyor belt of coaching talent could only convince if any of his former players were pulling up trees elsewhere. But they have yet to prove much at all. For instance, in Adams’s 16-match tenure in charge of Portsmouth he accumulated just 10 points, while his 18 months at Azerbaijani club Gabala FC are best, and all too easily, forgotten.
Wenger has a uniquely intimate insight into the mindset of those he has coached. He knows the psychological strengths and weaknesses of each individual, and can judge the merits of their managerial aspirations with that crucial knowledge.
Could it be that he has seen something in Vieira – who punched and spat at players during his Gunners career, before repeatedly disrupting the camp as he angled for a move – which makes him doubt his coaching acumen? Perhaps he also wonders if the navel-gazing Adams, with his endless and epic public discussions of his own character flaws, is managerial material?
As for Bergkamp, when fans dream of the great man as a future Gunners boss they overlook the fact that he’s vowed he will never fly again – a problematic position for a would-be coach of a Champions League club.
It could be argued that any aspiring coach who responds to an obstacle by whining to journalists, rather than rolling up his sleeves and finding a way around it, has already vindicated any doubts Wenger may hold about his suitability.
Dennis Bergkamp, Martin Keown and David O'Leary
Bergkamp and O'Leary have remained outsiders, but Keown has made it into the inner circle
As for the rest of us, we should know better than to be seduced by the impulse that a man who was an excellent player would therefore be an excellent coach. This is such a childish and regularly disproved fallacy that it is hard to know what to say to those who still cleave to it.
Wenger's succession
Football’s narratives are not shaped by feel-good film directors. Retired captains or star strikers cannot automatically slot straight back into their former club as trophy-collecting managers for a grand Hollywood ending.
RECOMMENDED
Arsenal's almost-invincibles of 1991
13 Premier League players who should move to keep their Euro 2016 hopes alive
Concern among Arsenal fans over how the club intends to handle Wenger’s eventual succession is understandable, particularly given the pig’s ear they made of it at Old Trafford.
But in the meantime, perhaps Vieira & Co., who so thrilled the fans with their playing exploits in the Double-winning and Invincible sides, could call a halt to all their public wound-licking long enough to see if their ‘wounds’ are even half as real as they imagine them to be.
Read more at http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/why-patrick-vieira-wrong-about-Arsène-wenger#eMp7YdOlS2rrMfSi.99
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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...s-by-saying-hell-have-to-Google-the-club.html
Ade already endearing himself to Palace fans.
Ade already endearing himself to Palace fans.
Natural talent, isn't he?
GDeep™
League is very weak
There will always be the hunt for the new Drogba, but Ade was that guy at his peak. Just never had the hunger.
SuperGoon
Debbie Downer
Country: Ireland
Player:Saka
He didn't (doesn't) love the sport. He loved the money. He had no passion. No hunger, like you say.
Country: South Africa
Player:Nketiah
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@martinkeown5
My verdict on John Terry for @MailSport. In three words... Adams was better http://dailym.ai/1VzXWJO
@martinkeown5
My verdict on John Terry for @MailSport. In three words... Adams was better http://dailym.ai/1VzXWJO
Vinci
The Sultan of Unai
Country: Netherlands
Can he still do a job in the Premier League?
Redknapp: Yes. He would make a huge difference to Arsenal or Manchester City.
Redknapp: Yes. He would make a huge difference to Arsenal or Manchester City.
Country: South Africa
Player:Nketiah
he loves doing that
Country: Canada
What a ball from #14.
Jerome_Gooner
Active Member
Diaby to play his first game for Marseille this weekend in the French Cup
James Bond
Moderation Consultant
I would have bet my house on it being a chip over the keeper the second I saw it was Sociedad playing in the link.
serenitynow
Ex-fransgooner
Player:Jesus
Diaby set to play for Marseille after 506(!) days on the sidelines.
Since Diaby last played:
- Arsenal have won two FA Cups
- Lionel Messi has scored 79 goals for Barcelona
- Cristiano Ronaldo has scored 83 goals for Real Madrid
- Jose Mourinho has won the Premier League with Chelsea, and been fired as the club's manager
- Leicester have gone from fighting relegation to fighting for the Premier League title
- FIFA president Sepp Blatter and UEFA president Michel Platini have both been suspended in a corruption probe
- Jack Wilshere has spent a total of 322 days out with various injuries
- Donald Trump has gone from hosting "The Apprentice" to being a Republican front-runner in the U.S. presidential election
- Four movies featuring Michael Caine have premiered
- There has been one total solar eclipse
(courtesy of ESPN)
Since Diaby last played:
- Arsenal have won two FA Cups
- Lionel Messi has scored 79 goals for Barcelona
- Cristiano Ronaldo has scored 83 goals for Real Madrid
- Jose Mourinho has won the Premier League with Chelsea, and been fired as the club's manager
- Leicester have gone from fighting relegation to fighting for the Premier League title
- FIFA president Sepp Blatter and UEFA president Michel Platini have both been suspended in a corruption probe
- Jack Wilshere has spent a total of 322 days out with various injuries
- Donald Trump has gone from hosting "The Apprentice" to being a Republican front-runner in the U.S. presidential election
- Four movies featuring Michael Caine have premiered
- There has been one total solar eclipse
(courtesy of ESPN)
- Arsenal have not bought a DM
