Mikel Arteta: Aston La Vista To The Title?

[Manberg]

Pep guarantees you success if you give him resources and he does this up to the highest level of football. It might not be 'beautiful' but we've seen him set records at every team he's been at. Records that haven't been matched since.

Its easy to pin CL failures on him but once you get to the quarters/semis that tournament becomes difficult to call...so many players at that level possess the individual quality to destroy game plans.

I think as a manager you do your best to assemble a squad that can get to the CL quarter-finals reliably then you just cross your fingers and hope for the best.

But he can’t do it without resources can he?
Klopp on the other hand took a team that finished 9th to eventually become European, world and premier league champions in only a few years. That surpasses anything Guardiola’s ever done or will do.

 

[Makingtrax]

Come on, Trax. They just got promoted a year before and had no experience compared to us.
Those kind of excuses that we had injuries or didn't have that one player to take us further were always the case.
Eduardo got injured the year after Henry left when we were in a good position to win the league and everyone chocked after that.

There were mentality problems all throughout that period too and we would always go into the season with something missing that would come to bite us on the ass later.

Come on bro, lets keep the fairy tales in the Merci Arsène thread.

 

[Makingtrax]

Pep guarantees you success if you give him resources and he does this up to the highest level of football, not many managers do. It might not be 'beautiful' but we've seen him set records at every team he's been at. Records that haven't been matched since.

Its easy to pin CL failures on him but once you get to the quarters/semis that tournament becomes difficult to call...so many players at that level possess the individual quality to destroy game plans.

I think as a manager you do your best to assemble a squad that can get to the CL quarter-finals reliably then you just cross your fingers and hope for the best.

The league is where money gives you the best odds because it's over a lot of games and your quality will pay off. He got a 100 points in the league. Which is some achievement. A specialist with money for sure. A great manager who knows what he wants and doesn't suffer fools gladly. If a player doesn't perform he won't play them and he has the money to buy a replacement at the next window.

Knockout comps can always be hit and miss, even the best teams can lose a one off game, hitting the woodwork, making a mistake at the back. Something @rich 1990 has really tough time grasping

 

[hydrofluoric acid]

But he can’t do it without resources can he?
Klopp on the other hand took a team that finished 9th to eventually become European, world and premier league champions in only a few years. That surpasses anything Guardiola’s ever done or will do.

Yeah but Klopp also had the best team in Europe this season and didn't get past Atletico Madrid in final-16.

 

[Trilly]

But he can’t do it without resources can he?
Klopp on the other hand took a team that finished 9th to eventually become European, world and premier league champions in only a few years. That surpasses anything Guardiola’s ever done or will do.

Technically Klopp needed resources too but not as many because his squad isn't as deep as Pep's. Let's not forget the 50M Fabinho, 70M Van Dijk and 60M Allison. All in the spine of the team.

Klopp did incredibly well taking Liverpool to the CL final but ultimately they didn't win anything that season until they spent 110M on Fabinho and Allison and probably wouldn't have even reached the final without 75M VVD.

Pep he did so well at Barca that he's never had to take a job where resources were limited. You can't really hold that against him and I think that's why he feels targeted sometimes and says silly stuff like 'Wenger spent big money'. I'm sure Pep could achieve some success without unlimited resources.

 

[Riou]

I'm sure Pep could achieve some success without unlimited resources.

I honestly don't think he would, his style of play is virtually "have the best team in the league", plus he doesn't have the patience to build a team anyway.

He has even admitted himself that he is a massive fraud, so at least he is an honest scumbag.

 

[Trilly]

I honestly don't think he would, his style of play is virtually "have the best team in the league", plus he doesn't have the patience to build a team anyway.

He has even admitted himself that he is a massive fraud, so at least he is an honest scumbag.

Well this season was kind model of his team without unlimited resources.

They had lost Sane and Laporte for most of the season. Sane not that big of an issue but losing Laporte is like Liverpool losing VVD. Mendy struggling with fitness (and most of you think he's crap anyway) and Aguero too. I think this is a fair comparison to Liverpool who somehow managed to keep every star player fit for most of the season.

They're still on course for an 80 point season and are still in the CL. He wouldn't reach his 100 point dominance but I think he'd still be in a title race if spending similar amounts to Pool/Utd/Chelsea.

 

[Riou]

Well this season was kind model of his team without unlimited resources.

They had lost Sane and Laporte for most of the season. Sane not that big of an issue but losing Laporte is like Liverpool losing VVD. Mendy struggling with fitness (and most of you think he's crap anyway) and Aguero too.

They're still on course for an 80 point season and are still in the CL. He wouldn't reach his 100 point dominance but I think he'd still be in the title race if allowed to spend a moderate amount.

All true, I just can't stand him.

Would prefer Mourinho to manage Arsenal over Pep, that's how much I hate him, though I also wouldn't watch Arsenal if Jose managed us tbf.

 

[Manberg]

Technically Klopp needed resources too but not as many because his squad isn't as deep as Pep's. Let's not forget the 50M Fabinho, 70M Van Dijk and 60M Allison. All in the spine of the team.

Klopp did incredibly well taking Liverpool to the CL final but ultimately they didn't win anything that season until they spent 110M on Fabinho and Allison and probably wouldn't have even reached the final without 75M VVD.

Pep he did so well at Barca that he's never had to take a job where resources were limited. You can't really hold that against him and I think that's why he feels targeted sometimes and says silly stuff like 'Wenger spent big money'. I'm sure Pep could achieve some success without unlimited resources.

Those signings for Liverpool were largely funded (or recouped funds) by selling their best players for huge money. Our mentality was always “we must keep our best players at all costs”, it’s probably why we’re so terrible at selling players.

I do hold it against Pep because he admitted he’d never change his style. Well i’d like to see him try not changing his style at an Arsenal level club in terms of squad cost and resources, and see how he gets on. I’ve a feeling he’d fail.

 

[Sniper Mik]

Those signings for Liverpool were largely funded (or recouped funds) by selling their best players for huge money. Our mentality was always “we must keep our best players at all costs”, it’s probably why we’re so terrible at selling players.

It wasn't always like that. I think after sales of Cesc, Nasri, Van Persie, etc. fan backlash as well as improving financial situation made us hold onto players for too long and giving players like Theo a big contract

 

[Manberg]

It wasn't always like that. I think after sales of Cesc, Nasri, Van Persie, etc. fan backlash as well as improving financial situation made us hold onto players for too long and giving players like Theo a big contract

Why did we make so little money out of those sales though? We kept RVP until the last year of his contract and got such a low fee for him. Sell players in the middle of their contracts to get a large fee instead. Shocking to think that Iwobi is the biggest ever player sale we ever done.
I also blame Gazidis. Inept at everything. Jury’s out on Raul.

 

[KrissKringle]

Would prefer Mourinho to manage Arsenal over Pep

 

[Sniper Mik]

Why did we make so little money out of those sales though? We kept RVP until the last year of his contract and got such a low fee for him. Sell players in the middle of their contracts to get a large fee instead. Shocking to think that Iwobi is the biggest ever player sale we ever done.
I also blame Gazidis. Inept at everything. Jury’s out on Raul.

We made an absolute mess. We've never sold well. Iwobi, Chamberlain only two exceptions. I mean whose bright idea was it to let Cazorla, Ramsey, Welbeck go for free?

 

[Manberg]

We made an absolute mess. We've never sold well. Iwobi, Chamberlain only two exceptions. I mean whose bright idea was it to let Cazorla, Ramsey, Welbeck go for free?

In terms of a long term vision, going forward it has to change. Kroenke’s not going invest, that money has to come from within. We may be repeating the same mistake with Aubameyang right now.

 

[KrissKringle]

We made an absolute mess. We've never sold well. Iwobi, Chamberlain only two exceptions. I mean whose bright idea was it to let Cazorla, Ramsey, Welbeck go for free?

Henry went for peanuts too. Wenger always sold our best players for small prices, instead of asking for as much as possible to reinvest the money into a more competitive squad.

 

[Corbulo]

Mikel Arteta is turning into a great young wife. He has has many childbearing years left. I like that he's willing to adjust and seems to be constantly learning. We definitely have the sophistication and class a young coach like Arteta was looking for. Sure we didn't dominate the ball or match stats, but we did where it counted. Still a long way to go.

 

[Hunta]

Mikel Arteta is turning into a great young wife. He has has many childbearing years left. I like that he's willing to adjust and seems to be constantly learning. We definitely have the sophistication and class a young coach like Arteta was looking for. Sure we didn't dominate the ball or match stats, but we did where it counted. Still a long way to go.

Da fook

 

[Taneruit]

 

[Taneruit]

Arteta's tone on money has completely changed recently...


He's either got what he wants or been told to stop with the comments. Or just bored of the comments altogether.

I think he got some assurances after last week. Otherwise he would have just given a non-answer.

 

[Hunta]

Anybody still buzzing after that win on Saturday? It’s not even about the result for me, we’re going places with the slick haired mechanic in charge.