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Did we do good business last summer?

Was the summer business good?

  • Yes

    Votes: 54 72.0%
  • No

    Votes: 21 28.0%

  • Total voters
    75

kraphtous

Raul Stanllehi
People who voted yes, know their stuff and understand football isn't always a short term game...they see that even though we had a difficult season (for reasons not to do with our transfers really) we signed some players with bags of potential that could see us easily get back in the Champions League soon.

People who voted no, clearly aren't over Arsène leaving and are using anything they can to prove that we were wrong to move on from him...even though we had clearly reached a point of no return with him and were obviously right to do so, they just can't get over themselves sadly...and although we got his replacement wrong in Emery, he doesn't mean we weren't right to change...sometimes when something is broken (which this team was under Bog Wengz in the end) it takes time to completely heal, we look on the right track now though.

Simples!
Not sure what Wenger has to do with any of this...

I wanted Wenger to be replaced and still think this was a bad transfer window. Not sure where you found the connection?

But sure, those voted yes know their stuff because you agree with them lol.
 

krengon

One Arsène Wenger
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Why is this forum going down hill so much? It's not Reddit ffs. If people think the league is getting harder and that's why we're not performing so well, rather than poor transfer business, why can't there be a debate with reason and statistics to get your teeth into. 'Use your eyes' is playground stuff. And insults are everywhere.

Banter about Bum Squads and Usual suspects is all fine as long as there's some decent debate in there as well.

Terrible terrible stuff in this thread. :lol:


Complete clown show lol and this season's top 4 race was arguably worse :lol:
 

GDeep™

League is very weak
No one has yet been able to explain how Luiz and Dani can be considered very poor for nearly all of the season, yet the summer business is considered good by the majority of the forum. This was 50% of our business for the upcoming season, in which we finished 8th.
 

Makingtrax

Worships in the house of Wenger 🙏
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Country: England

Player:Saliba
People who voted yes, know their stuff and understand football isn't always a short term game...they see that even though we had a difficult season (for reasons not to do with our transfers really) we signed some players with bags of potential that could see us easily get back in the Champions League soon.

People who voted no, clearly aren't over Arsène leaving and are using anything they can to prove that we were wrong to move on from him...even though we had clearly reached a point of no return with him and were obviously right to do so, they just can't get over themselves sadly...and although we got his replacement wrong in Emery, he doesn't mean we weren't right to change...sometimes when something is broken (which this team was under Bog Wengz in the end) it takes time to completely heal, we look on the right track now though.

Simples!
People who voted Yes are just praying next season will be better or they'll look even more stupid.

It's a win win for those who voted No though. More than happy to be proved wrong if it means Arteta can get us back to where Arsène was before the ****housery with the fans.
 

Macho

In search of Pure Profit 💸
Dusted 🔻

Country: England
Well, detailed analysis and articles would say different.

https://runrepeat.com/most-competitive-soccer-leagues-in-europe-analysis

Conclusion:
After looking at various conclusions from our multi-layered analysis, we can claim that the Premier League has scored the most points to be the most competitive top soccer league in Europe during the past decade.

The top tier of English football has not only produced some thrilling title races, but also, it has produced the second-highest number of champions. Furthermore, the top-five of the Premier League has been more congested than any other league, indicating the close competition at the top end.

https://www.thestatszone.com/archive/how-competitive-are-the-top-five-european-leagues-13538

Conclusion: There is an increase in balance within the top five clubs ('top), but at the same time this cluster is still the most imbalanced quarter of the league.

At the other end of the scale, the ‘weaker’ clubs have not only been more competitive in recent times, but the analysis also found that the most competitive quarter of the league table is the bottom lower section of mid-table. (This is across all leagues).

tl:dr - in the last couple of years the top 5 in the premiership are closer than ever before, however City and Liverpool are pulling away now so the cluster is sliding down the table. Completely not the case in early Emirates years when we used to skate top 4.

But hey, let me not get in the way of you propagandists and agenda merchants.

 

Makingtrax

Worships in the house of Wenger 🙏
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Country: England

Player:Saliba
You shouldn't need stats to see that a lot of teams are stronger now. But if you really want some stats to dig into...

Wolves 1-1 United
City 0-2 Wolves
Arsenal 1-1 Wolves
Wolves 3-2 City
United 0-0 Wolves
Sp**s 2-3 Wolves
Wolves 3-1 Arsenal
Wolves 2-1 United
Chelsea 1-1 Wolves
Sp**s 1-3 Wolves
Wolves 2-1 Chelsea
Arsenal 1-1 Wolves
United 1-1 Wolves
Wolves 1-1 City

These are Wolves positive results over the past two seasons against the usual "top" sides in the league.

They've taken points in 14 games against top teams in two seasons. Wolves coming into the league has quite clearly made things harder as they keep taking points off the top teams.
Wolves still only won 15 games out of 38. How is that different to what happened in the past? 2017/18 Burnley won 14 games, 2016/17 Everton won 17 games, etc. All with similarish no. of points 50s or 60s. You can go back and find plenty of examples like that.

If you're saying, But wait there's two teams doing well now Leicester 62 points, and Wolves 59

There's still plenty of examples of that too. 2015/16 Leicester 81, Southampton 63, West Ham 62. 2014/15 Southampton 60 Swansea 56, 2013/14 Everton 72, Southampton 56 etc

There's nothing new or harder about this year, except Arsenal and Sp**s have fallen through the floor. Saying it was easier for Arsenal in the past in not correct.

Leicester City won the title on a pretty poor point total for a title win, since then they have improved their team overall and have a much better manager for the future.
It wasn't that poor a points total, 81. They had a great team with Kante and Mahrez on top form. We've won it on less points and United have won it on less 4 times.

In fact if you look at the points the winners are getting it's going up. It was a lot less years ago, which shows how much easier it's been getting for the money teams. In the 90s, teams won on 70+ points 3 years running.

You also have the added factor of their being a "big 6" now and not just a top 4 who are seen as the best 4 teams in England.
It's always been a big six for years. Look at ten year spend 2008 to 2018
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Makingtrax

Worships in the house of Wenger 🙏
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Well, detailed analysis and articles would say different.

https://runrepeat.com/most-competitive-soccer-leagues-in-europe-analysis



https://www.thestatszone.com/archive/how-competitive-are-the-top-five-european-leagues-13538



tl:dr - in the last couple of years the top 5 in the premiership are closer than ever before, however City and Liverpool are pulling away now so the cluster is sliding down the table. Completely not the case in early Emirates years when we used to skate top 4.

But hey, let me not get in the way of you propagandists and agenda merchants.
Thanks for that.

Close competition at the top end, but it shows that our league is the second most imbalanced league in Europe. It means the money teams are ever more pulling away from the rest, but heavily competitive with each other.

Doesn't that mean that the league is getting easier for those teams, not harder, which accounts for why points scores at the top have been increasing. So why are we 8th?
 

Trilly

Hates A-M, Saka, Arteta and You
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Country: England
I know so. You try doing your job with people outside the office telling you **** off and planes flying overhead with the same message. And angry people ranting about how sh!t you are night and day on the internet. If that doesn't depress you nothing will.
Ah come on man....managers get criticism all the time. The Wenger out faction was huge even while we were finishing top four.

The reason it got bigger was because Wenger's poor management started turning more and more neutrals/Wenger In people against him until the majority of the fans wanted him out. That was a consequence of his actions not the cause.
 

HairSprayGooners

My brother posted it ⏩
Thanks for that.

Close competition at the top end, but it shows that our league is the second most imbalanced league in Europe. It means the money teams are ever more pulling away from the rest, but heavily competitive with each other.

Doesn't that mean that the league is getting easier for those teams, not harder, which accounts for why points scores at the top have been increasing. So why are we 8th?

This I can agree with, there is a gigantic gap between the bottom few teams and the rest. I'd definitely agree its imbalanced.
 

HairSprayGooners

My brother posted it ⏩
No one has yet been able to explain how Luiz and Dani can be considered very poor for nearly all of the season, yet the summer business is considered good by the majority of the forum. This was 50% of our business for the upcoming season, in which we finished 8th.

Dani was very poor under Emery but one of our best players under Arteta. I don't think he should be exempt from criticism, but its clear he wasn't a poor player when he arrived. Everyone was excited about him. He just needed proper coaching, which he got with Arteta.

If we didn't sign Luiz and we signed Upamecano in the end, people would say it was a 10/10 window. We would still be around 8th though because of the management at the time.

Emery didn't know how to manage what he had, Arteta knows our limitations and within his reign Dani, Pepe and Tierney were all very very important players. You could argue Luiz was also equally as important towards the end in the cup games.

So it depends how you want to look at it, do you want to lambast Raul at every opportunity and just look at the players performances under Emery? Or do you want to actually view the quality of player we signed, see that Arteta has brought it out of most of them and say fair play we actually had a half decent window.
 

HairSprayGooners

My brother posted it ⏩
I like you but you talk complete sh*te sometimes.:lol:

This is his record against the top 6 since he came in dated Dec 19. Add a win against Leicester and a draw against Sp**s to that as well.

since-solskjaer-came-to-united-this-is-uniteds-record-against-top-6.jpg

Yeah Ole was known for getting results in the big games but losing the small ones because of the style of play. They played like us against big teams because they didn't have a Bruno to unlock defences. Came up against small teams and without Bruno looked toothless against a low block.
 

Riou

In The Winchester, Waiting For This To Blow Over

Country: Northern Ireland

Player:Gabriel
That’s my point, maybe we would be in a better shape had we spent the money better last summer.

We have been running on fumes since 2015 tbf...we have had our first good summer transfer window in about 5, will take more than that to get back in the top four after years of neglect...I like the direction we are heading in now at least.
 

Trilly

Hates A-M, Saka, Arteta and You
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Country: England
Wenger had to face Chelsea, United and City at their peak, outspending him 10 or 11 times.
Yeah and he finished below them but ahead of the other teams who weren't as good as us? What's your point?

We stayed in that uncomfortable position for ages, then Fergie retired and made things even more stable for us as United entered a state of flux. Sp**s then strengthened and took that spot almost by default. Again, comfy.

Then the TV deal came in and things started to get interesting. Suddenly losing to City/Chelsea etc but beating the smaller teams became more difficult, Wolves being the epitomy of that, yet we still hung on to our top four by default spot.

By this point Klopp comes in, United have gotten rid of Moyes and LVG and are about halfway through a rebuily. Suddenly it's a battle for the top four with 6 teams in the race. Wenger comes up short, twice.

Says a lot for me that Wenger stopped finishing in the top four once United, Chelsea, and Liverpool sorted themselves out. Many of us saw it coming.

Again, I don't like having a go at Wenger he's no longer here but you bring it out of so many of us. I think we can all agree on Wenger's level.
 

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