Arsenal Vs Manchester City Take 2 PL Sky 7 45 1/3/2018

[Jury]

Jeez, what's going on here. Does it really matter that United spend this amount and finished in this position in relation to what we do?

Looking at our own performances, regardless of money, there are simply too many subpar, gutless performances every single season and the same glaring deficiencies that keeping popping up.

To me that's unacceptable, but if you think that's ok because the same happens at other clubs, fair enough.

In a nutshell, we're a quite unique fvckup of a club. We see a unique mess created by a manager in a unique position. This is why nobody should even begin to make light of our situation by comparing it to other clubs. It angers and frustrates me when I see people doing it.

 

[Makingtrax]

I think whether you believe it or not, something is being done about it. The whole organization is changing. We changed what? 6-8 first team players in 8 months? We remove "deadwood" without replacing them yet because they probably didn't get anybody good enough mid season. How can you expect a team to become stable after that? Tell me how!? No coach could unless he had a stable spine before which unfortunately for us were injured and or changed. I think wenger had a day on who comes in but he is forced to take players or nothing. This board and mostly the owner do not want to spend.

Yes, since gazidis came in we went for more"Superstar" or at least players that we didn't have to develop. But at the cost of what... Getting the rest of the players based on statdna.

Now after we realized we cannot afford to get more Superstars (cost went up 10x) because of the injections of the broadcaster sponsor money. Add to that that the premier league gave an advantage to every team to base their salary envelop to get bigger based on commercial deals. So every team that gets support from their owners through their company's or states get an advantage. Of course Arsenal didn't have anything good on those.

Whatever advantage we had buy having a sustainable model went down the drain and it gave an advantage to City Chelsea Liverpool and Manchester United.

Another dimension is the possibility for teams to use Wembley while upgrading their own stadium while paying cost to nothing while we had to grind it out for 10 years.


I don't understand what the board and gazidis do but I feel like they have neglected and reacted extremely slowly on these issues and it hurt us financially and restricted our spending. I do not believe for one second that they did not know about it. I think they gambled with ffp (which I think is fair because it was backed by UEFA but when it went to courts it wasn't able to hold it's ground I'm sure) and their Bank rolling.

Now the conclusion of all of this is having to replace your foundation, ie the manager through restructuring the whole organization, the recruiting and contact situations and the whole team because of a last years failure.

I'm as disappointed by the way the team has played recently as anybody but we average so many clear cut chances that we don't put away.

Post is too long I'll continue later.

Great post.

 

[FreakySami]

Great post.

I'm not done.

As for the manager, I think this transition I was talking about is inevitable and would have guaranteed a bad start for any new manager. Let's not pretend it isn't the case. I don't understand how people are blind to this. It's the emotions I guess. People cannot remove their emotions and have a fair assessment of what are the logical objectives of the club, whether they share them or not.

I mean they say top 4 is the objective but the actions they took don't tell me that that was the objective this season based on what I said in the other post (problems removing Sanchez and changing him mid season, changing half the team which makes the team so unstable that you cannot do anything and require individuals learn systems mid way through the season. Personally, I think the objective should be preparing for the next season by changing half of the team. This would give the fans a clear indication of what we are doing but I understand that they cannot say this because ticket prices would need to go down based on that objective and it would create complacency in the dressing room. FAIR ENOUGH

I don't have the energy to explain how ask if this converges on the field but if you don't get it...

Ugh maybe I should just write an article and get stats.

 

[Mrs Bergkamp]

What did Pep say about us?

He just said that his side took the game seriously and has to against a good club like ours. He spoke about his own team and resisted the urge to put the knife in. Nothing special but a welcome break from the usual rhetoric that surrounds us atm.

 

[krackpot]

I'm not done.

As for the manager, I think this transition I was talking about is inevitable and would have guaranteed a bad start for any new manager. Let's not pretend it isn't the case. I don't understand how people are blind to this. It's the emotions I guess. People cannot remove their emotions and have a fair assessment of what are the logical objectives of the club, whether they share them or not.

I mean they say top 4 is the objective but the actions they took don't tell me that that was the objective this season based on what I said in the other post (problems removing Sanchez and changing him mid season, changing half the team which makes the team so unstable that you cannot do anything and require individuals learn systems mid way through the season. Personally, I think the objective should be preparing for the next season by changing half of the team. This would give the fans a clear indication of what we are doing but I understand that they cannot say this because ticket prices would need to go down based on that objective and it would create complacency in the dressing room. FAIR ENOUGH

I don't have the energy to explain how ask if this converges on the field but if you don't get it...

Ugh maybe I should just write an article and get stats.

great objective post.

Most people forget that we had Jack 'like-a-new-signing' Wilshere, Auba and Mkhi (Actually new signings), Kola (still lukewarm) in that team.

Not making any excuses, but these same players would be much different if we had played after they had built up their confidnece with a few easier games.

Again, not making any excuses, we were and are, dreadful.

 

[Mohamed7]

You saying Silvestre was ****? But in all seriousness, hindsight is 20/20. He was a decent buy at the time for the price (~£16m for a young England international). Even mancs were pissed they sold him to us.

It is not in hindsight. It was almost certain he wasn't the player we needed. AW was just desperate. Even United fans knew his poor finishing. They were only pissed because one for selling to us and two he was academic player.

If you see the other way round, the only players recently moved from us to them were our key players.