russkiegooner
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He was very poor in the first half yesterday. Slightly better in the second.fabo said:
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EPL – Arsenal vs Manchester United – 4:00pm - 22/01/12
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Eirico
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Former Southampton player Claus Lundekvam is today a journalist in Norway, but still knows alot of players in England and he knows Oxlade-Chamberlain. Claus promised on Norwegian TV that he was going to call AOC to find out if he was injuried or tired when he was subbed. Claus did call, and the answer from AOC was no and no. He was feeling fine.
Norwegian link: http://www.tv2.no/sport/fotball/eng...n-var-verken-skadet-eller-sliten-3690217.html
Norwegian link: http://www.tv2.no/sport/fotball/eng...n-var-verken-skadet-eller-sliten-3690217.html
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TBF Wenger just about subs everyone that has not played 90 mins at the top level .
Why is this such a big deal ? It turned out to be a mistake , its not the first time has happened in football won't be the last .
Why is this such a big deal ? It turned out to be a mistake , its not the first time has happened in football won't be the last .
Eirico
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celestis said:
Because 1: the sub obviously cost us the game. It is not often you can say that for sure, but this time you can.
2: Wenger lied about the reason behind the sub aften the game.
eye4goal
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outlaw_member said:
We really are clueless without the ball. Ramsey was running around aimlessly too. I just can't get how easy it was for Carrick to spread the ball to their wide players. RVP was also guilty there but you'd expect Ramsey to pick him up. It is a coaching and management issue in my opinion. It is worrying that Arteta who was AM at Everton can defend better than Song, Ramsey etc
It's one thing to make a sub, but another one to effectively rip us off our only real attacking threat with still 20 minutes to go and replace it with......Arshavin.
Folks, look at our team. Right now, up and down, we have a shortage of true quality. And I mean quality. United aren't eevn that good and yesterday that second goal was inevitable. Our bench yesterday was a joke, and even with all our players fit, we have **** for attacking options and nothing to link our midfield and attack. I love our team, but we need to shore it up. They can't handle the pressure, physically or mentally
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Eirico said:
My point is , he's not the only manager to have done this paid the price . He lied ? Not many managers tell the truth at press conferences . Again no big deal .
Celestis, I admit in hindsight it's always easy to pass judgement like it happens with Wenger now, but let's be honest there.....have you been pleased when you saw Ox coming off for Arsh? Didn't you think he needlessly took our most dangerous player off?
AliBabaBrewer
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Illusion said:
I watched a documentary on Alex Ferguson last night and he said something that actually made a lot of sense.
There was a video of him during his time at Aberdeen (At least I think it was) where he was going absolutely banana's at the players. Properly mental. It then cut to a scene of an interview with him now where he said that if anything, it's GOOD to lose your temper with the players.
He said it was healthy to go mental at them to ground them. Because, as he said 'they get enough praise', if you can't knock them down a bit as a manager, who will?
I'm sure as s**t that Wenger doesn't do that. So why not the fans?
We pay extortionate fee's to watch mediocre results from excessively paid players. As we have done for years.
The voice of discontent in Arsenal's fans is a growing one, and I personally love it when you get people bury their heads in the sand saying that no one should boo, no one should complain, and what, that just be grateful we're in the top half of the table? We won't even be getting Champions League football next year. Which is an embarrassment for a team that supposedly is meant to be challenging for the league.
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@Redandwhite When you put it like that mate no,not at all,not pleased at all . I DID want Arshavin to come on...... but for Walcott .
I just don't like this issue dragging on because as Anzac would say it's a smoke screen to the real issues here midfield . Every time we have been pressed in a game they have disintegrated . There one or two player in there no matter how hard they try don't have a clue how to play in midfield .
To compete again we need an attacking right back , a cam and another holding player .
I just don't like this issue dragging on because as Anzac would say it's a smoke screen to the real issues here midfield . Every time we have been pressed in a game they have disintegrated . There one or two player in there no matter how hard they try don't have a clue how to play in midfield .
To compete again we need an attacking right back , a cam and another holding player .
That's what Hill Wood thinks we should all do :roll:AliBabaBrewer said:Illusion said:
I watched a documentary on Alex Ferguson last night and he said something that actually made a lot of sense.
There was a video of him during his time at Aberdeen (At least I think it was) where he was going absolutely banana's at the players. Properly mental. It then cut to a scene of an interview with him now where he said that if anything, it's GOOD to lose your temper with the players.
He said it was healthy to go mental at them to ground them. Because, as he said 'they get enough praise', if you can't knock them down a bit as a manager, who will?
I'm sure as s**t that Wenger doesn't do that. So why not the fans?
We pay extortionate fee's to watch mediocre results from excessively paid players. As we have done for years.
The voice of discontent in Arsenal's fans is a growing one, and I personally love it when you get people bury their heads in the sand saying that no one should boo, no one should complain, and what, that just be grateful we're in the top half of the table? We won't even be getting Champions League football next year. Which is an embarrassment for a team that supposedly is meant to be challenging for the league.
celestis said:
Just want to add, Wenger other sub (Park for Ramsey) was also wrong. Park was playing in AMC and didn't get any good ball instead of playing upfront
and we played Mert as a striker :roll: (which almost work for once)
celestis said:
Fair enough, that's what I was asking for as well.
I agree, it is indeed a smoke screen and does distract from the important issues, but for me it was all about winning this game and at least end our poor run of results, before concentrating on those problems once again.
I just can't bear it when someone throws away a game in that fashion, regardless of our other more pressing issues.
ArseGod said:
if that's true then play the starter for 90 minutes
If we did that, there would be even bigger concerns about the fatigue of our first teamers. Overplaying them won't help us either.
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Post ACN, I would like to see this -
Gerv - RVP - AOC
Arteta - Song - Rosicky
I really dont believe Park has had any opportunity to fairly prove himself, and on one of the rare occasions he took his goal beautifully. So Park and Henry are question marks for me off the bench.
Arshavin - i believe we killed his career by trying to make a left winger of him, he has the body language and the attitude of a player who just has become disillusioned.
Ramsey - i believe he will come good - but is not ready yet.
Walcott - i really hate his playstyle. His touch is often horrible, his head is always down. I despise the habit to cut back outside once he has already got the inside channel on a defender....i could go on.
Chamakh - i honestly dont even think he seems like a footballer.
Gerv - RVP - AOC
Arteta - Song - Rosicky
I really dont believe Park has had any opportunity to fairly prove himself, and on one of the rare occasions he took his goal beautifully. So Park and Henry are question marks for me off the bench.
Arshavin - i believe we killed his career by trying to make a left winger of him, he has the body language and the attitude of a player who just has become disillusioned.
Ramsey - i believe he will come good - but is not ready yet.
Walcott - i really hate his playstyle. His touch is often horrible, his head is always down. I despise the habit to cut back outside once he has already got the inside channel on a defender....i could go on.
Chamakh - i honestly dont even think he seems like a footballer.
With regards the Oxo issue. I suspect strongly like most people do that Wenger genuinely thought Shava would come on and win the game for him. I can imagine how Wenger felt about the booing and the subsequent issues that led to Shava being involved in the incident that led to our conceding our second goal. Obviously he can't man up and say "I screwed up" because that would be admitting defeat in the Shava saga and will destroy whatever little confidence Shava has left. If Wenger's brave he'll flog Shava and find a replacement or just hire a psychologist for him since Arsène seems to be eternally hopeful about his players who fall badly out of form.
Cruisio
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I swear down that Wenger best hope that the rapture is just around the corner because so far 2012 has been a S**T year!
