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Formation 20/21 Season

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by DennisTheLegend, Aug 12, 2020.

  1. Jakarta

    Jakarta Well-Known Member

    :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

    Some real madness!

    I’m already dying of boredom here, and my man here wants to play ElNeny and Ceballos as roaming playmakers behind Auba.

    @Manberg are you a sadist?
     
    Last edited: Nov 9, 2020
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  2. GoonerJay24

    GoonerJay24 Well-Known Member

    In home matches where we're expected to have lots of possession - 4222

    Leno
    AMN Holding Gabriel Tierney
    Elneny Partey
    Saka/Willian Willock/Smith-Rowe
    Pepe Aubamayang

    In tougher matches where it'll be a battle - 3421

    Leno
    Holding Luiz Gabriel
    AMN Elneny Partey Tierney
    Saka Willock/Smith-Rowe
    Aubamayang
     
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  3. Breezy

    Breezy Well-Known Member


    Leno
    AMN - Luiz - Gabriel - Tierney
    Ceballos - Partey - Saka
    Pepe - Aubameyang - Martinelli ​
     
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  4. wolfkidultman

    wolfkidultman Active Member

    Leno​

    Bellerin — Holding — Gabriel — Tierney​

    Nelson — Ceballos — Partey — Saka​

    Pepe—Aubameyang​
     
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  5. Macho

    Macho Established Member Trusted

    Came to literally post this formation.
    Bielsa converted Pepe into a striker and that’s the player we signed. Would never happen but I’d love to see Auba and Pepe upfront.
     
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  6. The_Playmaker

    The_Playmaker Established Member Trusted

    Auba and Pepe played up front together away to Liverpool with Willock in a diamond. Those 3 performed really well. Two up top is the way to go when you don't have a false 9 and when you don't have a lone striker to hold the ball.

    Auba----Pepe

    Martinelli--Pepe

    Martinelli---Auba would be my too combinations.

    Arteta could have the option of playing a 352 or a 442.

    442

    ------------Auba-----Pepe

    Saka----Partey----Willock--Nelson

    Tierney---Gabriel---Luiz---AMN

    ------------------Leno

    You have the option of resting Saka for ESR or Martinelli. AMN is preferred at RB as he tucks into midfield and protects the counter when Willock makes his runs.

    Or 352

    -------------------Auba---------Pepe

    Tierney----Saka------------Willock-------Bellerin

    ------------------------Partey

    -------------Mari------Gabriel----Saliba

    --------------------------Leno

    I prefer the 442 as the two wide players can move between the lines. Leaves more rotation for the likes of ESR, Willian, Nelson and Saka. Keeps Lacazette out and pepe is closer to goal and to Auba.
     
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  7. AmsterdamGunner

    AmsterdamGunner Active Member

    I hate 3-4-3 or 3-5-2. Just play a normal formation and start controlling the midfield, this will help with defending and attacking.
     
  8. GoonerJay24

    GoonerJay24 Well-Known Member

    You can still control the midfield in these formations but depends on the positions players occupy.
    For instance when we played 3421 under Wenger we're able to overload the centre by having 2 Cms with 2 Cams.

    But yes I believe our primary formation should be 4222 because we have the players to use that system very well. Similarly to Jardims 2017 Monaco team with two inverted wingers, two box-box cms and two mobile strikers that capably combine. This or some variation of it should be the main system used in games that the team is expected to dominate possession.
     
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  9. Tourbillion

    Tourbillion Angry & Miserable

    Really like that 442 lineup.
     
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  10. OSBK

    OSBK Well-Known Member

    I might be wrong but under wenger towards then end we were not playing well and conceeding more than usual. Wenger switched to a back 3 and for a short period we did well and it worked. Until we got found out and started conceeding lots again.

    Its like history repeating itself
     
  11. Breezy

    Breezy Well-Known Member

    I notice a lot of fans calling for a switch to 433. I just don’t think we have the personnel for it. In order to make that system work effectively a out an out holding midfield specialist is imperative. Don’t think Partey is suited to the role, Xhaka and Ceballos are suspect defensively and Elneny is too average.
     
  12. Macho

    Macho Established Member Trusted

    The players are more than capable of playing in a 4-3-3, that makes no sense.

    The fans are too caught up in formation though, it’s all about intent.
     
  13. Breezy

    Breezy Well-Known Member

    Name one club that has played it successfully without a specialist holding midfielder?
     
  14. Macho

    Macho Established Member Trusted

    Many? They just don’t win the league. I don’t even know what you’re saying now that I think about it, cause the league is littered with average midfielders.

    Even Liverpool’s aren’t that special, one of them was even here and couldn’t force his way into the team under Wenger.

    They lack in creativity maybe - but Xhaka, Elneny, Partey are more than capable between them whether you like them or not, so I disagree tbh.
     
  15. Breezy

    Breezy Well-Known Member

    What I’m saying is not that difficult to understand. Every big club that has implemented that system successfully has done so because of a specialist holding midfielder. Barca(Busquets), Bayern(Martinez), Liverpool(Fabinho), Madrid(Casemiro) etc. We do not have anyone in the current squad with the profile to make that formation work to it’s maximum effect.
     
  16. Macho

    Macho Established Member Trusted

    First of all you said “name one club”, nothing about title winners or contenders - there’s a big difference. If you’re waiting for Arsenal to be genuine title contenders then you might as well stop following for a few years cause there’s work to be done.

    To get in Champions League Xhaka and Elneny are more than capable as they’ve done it before. Partey was a vital part of a CL team.

    Think you’re just having a moan for moaning sake personally.
     
  17. Breezy

    Breezy Well-Known Member

    I said name one club that has played it “successfully”. What do you think I meant by successfully?

    A 433 with Partey-Xhaka-Elneny would be ineffective.
     
  18. Macho

    Macho Established Member Trusted

    Success is open to interpretation, you didn’t say anything about title winning teams.

    You’re upset over nothing anyways, our players can play 4-3-3 quite comfortably.
     
  19. Breezy

    Breezy Well-Known Member

    Without a top class holding midfielder it wouldn’t be successful.

    You still haven’t named one club that has played it to great effect without a top holding midfielder.
     
  20. Red London

    Red London Anti-Simp Culture Trusted

    Theres no point predicting exact teams but I'm going to list a couple examples just to explain the two potential systems we should play, the personel (eg. in the midfield) should be chosen based on the opposition and toughness of the game.

    4231 - For breaking down low blocks, we saw how effective it was against Sheffield for that period where we saw a glimpse of some attacking football:

    Leno
    Bellerin Luiz Gabriel Tierney
    Ceballos Partey
    Pepe Willian Saka
    Aubameyang

    Can play Elneny or Xhaka in there if the boss wishes but its all about the front 4, they can actually link up and put some pressure on the opposition for once. If they press well we can squeeze them higher up the pitch too.

    433 - For the tougher away games. With this its important to actually play a dynamic midfield, not the dross we saw against Leciester, and they shouldnt be leaving the centre CM so isolated.

    Leno
    Bellerin Luiz Gabriel Tierney
    Willock Partey Ceballos
    Pepe Aubameyang Saka

    Willock will make those interesting runs into the right channel of the box, it could help Pepe a lot. When Willian maybe picks up some form Arteta can try a Ceballos Partey Saka midfield with Willian taking the LW spot.

    What we are doing now is so one dimensional. Aubameyang has locked down the LW spot which means Laca and Eddie have the striker spot who are quite average players (laca is shocking actually), with Auba up top we get to play an extra creative player in the side and maybe it can help pick up some form for the likes of Willian and Pepe if they play with other creative players and can link up more. The freeing up of both wing spots rather than just the current 1 means there is more space for Pepe to start and Nelson to get minutes too. I wouldnt mind selling Laca and having Martinelli as understudy to Auba, with maybe a lower PL side loan for Eddie if no interesting offers come in.
     
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