Granit Xhaka: Managers Love Him!

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by Marjorie, Aug 18, 2020.

  1. krengon

    krengon One Arsene Wenger Trusted

    Yeah pretty obvious he'll be first choice even if we get Partey or Aouar.
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  2. Ash10

    Ash10 Jury Lite

    Newcastle signed Joelinton for 40million. Dortmund signed Haaland for 22million.

    Oh the giant of a club was Hertha Berlin:rofl:
  3. AbouCuéllar

    AbouCuéllar Well-Known Member

    Now you're just being disingenuous.

    I didn't mention the mistake you made using Europa League stats, and ignore all the other things posted, did I?

    Let's argue honestly and maturely, please. Anyways, the whole thread is there for everyone to see. I have invited you to do a full comparison statistically, to open your perspective as much as possible, using all the stats on fbREF or any stats we can find, and comparing Xhaka to many other players. I even searched "Xhaka press resistant" to see if I was the one who was ignorant, and if it was something that had been said or thought somewhere outside of this forum.

    So yeah, please be a bit more mature in arguing, it's disappointing to see what I thought was a mature discussion, and which I engaged in earnestly and honestly, is just typical internet disingenuousness from the other end :/

    Yeh, and as if that reasoning wasn't bad and facile enough, one event happened before the covid world epidemic, the other not... bufff
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  4. Manberg

    Manberg Predator

    He was racing to get out at the time due to our despicable fan base.
    Now, if Xhaka was up for sale the biggest clubs in the world would be racing for his signature. Bayern, Barcelona, Madrid.... you name it.
  5. AbouCuéllar

    AbouCuéllar Well-Known Member


    Are you trolling?

    Madrid is interested in Camavinga--that is the level of player Madrid is interested in (Bayern too). Barcelona can't find a space in their midfield for Riqui Puig, much less Granit Xhaka.

    Come back to the real world mate!
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  6. Manberg

    Manberg Predator

    I quoted stats here:

    You’re the one who’s been manipulating stats to suit your narrative. I don’t like your website it’s boring.
  7. Ash10

    Ash10 Jury Lite

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  8. Notorious Big

    Notorious Big Drunka In Friend Zone

    Best thread ever :lol:
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  9. AbouCuéllar

    AbouCuéllar Well-Known Member

    Partey or Aouar, yes. Partey and Aouar is where it would get more interesting, as it would be between Ceballos and Xhaka for odd man out there, and in that case Ceballos should be picked over Xhaka normally, depending on the opposition.

    But I don't think anyone disputes this statement you've made.
  10. CaseUteinberger

    CaseUteinberger Cazorla (not Carzola ffs)

    Come on, you can do better than that. That was a pretty silly response. ;)
  11. CaseUteinberger

    CaseUteinberger Cazorla (not Carzola ffs)

    :facepalm: Okay, whatever. Look mate, you seem like a nice bloke, but this is not a great way to argue. I wrote that I watch our games which I actually do (One benefit of having moved to the US. Almost all PL games are on some channel.) and for me I do not need stats to make a judgement that I do not rate Xhaka.

    If I ran out on the pitch you wouldn’t need stats to see that I am a fat middle aged bloke who isn’t good at football. Some things are actually obvious!
  12. Big Poppa

    Big Poppa Well-Known Member Trusted

    With Bartomeu in charge, he probably has a shot at Barca :lol:

    Who does he displace from Bayern and Madrid?
  13. Macho

    Macho Well-Known Member Trusted

    One of the worst threads with some of the worst opinions I’ve ever read on these forums tbh.
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  14. Taneruit

    Taneruit Well-Known Member

  15. AbouCuéllar

    AbouCuéllar Well-Known Member

    Videos like this are a bit cringe, honestly, making the most simple and textbook of midfield play look like something noteworthy.
  16. Mrs Bergkamp

    Mrs Bergkamp Established Member

    The video above shows decent, competent play but the build up is horribly slow. The ball goes backwards and sideways and it's over a minute before it actually gets played forward! We've played like this before no doubt, but the Invincibles and the early Cesc era players would move the ball like this much faster and that whole sequence would involve almost the whole team and take about 30 seconds from end to end. A hallmark of our best play was speed, forward passes and good passing triangles. That needs to return.
  17. pigge

    pigge Wishes Wrestling Fans Liked Him

    Most non-clip thats ever been posted here.
  18. Kav

    Kav Well-Known Member

    I see myself how his play has altered and I'm not complaining. I am glad that Arteta has addressed our obvious gaps and deficiencies. We now need further addictions to allow us to not only prevent goals but to also control games.
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  19. Manberg

    Manberg Predator

    Arteta can coach Xhaka to be a top manager. He has that intelligence in him. Bookmark this post and quote me in 10 years time. I was right about Arteta I'm right about Xhaka too.
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  20. AbouCuéllar

    AbouCuéllar Well-Known Member

    @Manberg found xG buildup and xG chain stats (understat.com -- just an easy search, man the pain it would've saved me the other night :lol:) key to this discussion:

    Jorginho and Fred both have superior numbers while having superior defensive contribution. You can stop saying that the stats back up something they don't, now.

    Xhaka-- https://understat.com/player/204
    Fred-- https://understat.com/player/6817
    Jorginho-- https://understat.com/player/1389

    In summary, our eyes tell us we have about the 5th-10th best DLP in the league, ie a good player for a 5-10 team but not a top player. The stats tell us the exact same thing. Manberg tells us that this same player is world-class and would be pursued by Madrid, Barça, and Bayern if he were available.

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