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José Mourinho: See Mou Later

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People need to stop saying that his Inter Milan team wasn't a great team, that was probably the most "Mourinho team" Jose ever created...pretty much every player was a ruthless ****house on the field :lol:

Sneijder, Eto'o, Cambassio, Lucio, Zanetti, Samuel, Milito, Cesar, Stankovic, etc...some absolute quality in that side, was one of the best teams in the world in 2010...nobody saw his Porto win coming though, fair play to him there.

Agree that it's a shame Big Wengz didn't win the Champions League, but that's been done to death...both at their best were top managers, Mourinho is just a **** as a person...then, now and forever.
But he built that team with "rejects" from other clubs that he went on to beat on his way to glory and it was an ageing squad near its end that barely made it out of their group in previous years. And we're not talking about run of the mill CL teams but GIANTS with the best players at the time. Sneijder, Milito etc he turned them into superhumans. Lucio was sold by Bayern for being too old and not good enough.

Nonsense. He arrived at Porto and got a huge injection of capital two years running. Then only ever been at one of the wealthiest squads in their respective countries Chelsea, Inter Milan, Real Madrid, Chelsea again, Manchester United.

All this while Wenger was wallowing around with a squad in the bottom half of the EPL for spend. After 2004 the highest spend position Wenger ever achieved was 5th. And he got top 4 for 20 years straight, a miracle worker.

Mourinho now has a team spending 6th in the League and as you'll see he'll get absolutely nowhere. And you know it. :lol:
Not really. He picked those players and bought them in as well as moulded them into top quality players himself. You can't deny all that.

What Wenger did was great but its not like something all that far off of Moyes.

Investment? Mourinho was the best manager in the world and he backed that investment with results without fail most of the time. Wenger got investment and we're still stuck with his mess that's taking an age to clear out while prior to that he did get investment with which he barely managed to put together a decent defense but always made mind boggling decisions and left holes consistently that wouldn't have needed huge investment anyway. Wenger had better team he built that was better than Inter's and Porto's but couldn't get them to win a league. Wenger also pretty much went down the table as soon as other top managers came to the league. Spending is only part of the equation.
 

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Mind games. Trying to provoke a reaction from his players and fan base. Whilst denigrating our recent form.

He must be frustrated to look at Mikel sitting in the job he actually wanted.

His biggest issue is his man management and his pig headedness. The new generation just don't respond to his "motivational" techniques and he either lacks the EQ or is to stubborn to adjust them.
Yep, this is spot on. No arguments there.
 

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Jose Mourinho is like frozen pizza: highly processed with artificial preservatives, added sugar and unhealthy fats. No one wants him for the healthy options. You'll feel good until the regret kicks in and the empty calories wear off.

He used to be the master of instant success while being backed by insatiable owners. His press conferences are more memorable than his wins. As a last stop, I think PSG would have really suited him. He's the type of manager who usually delivers the CL trophy under PSG's current circumstances.

Mourinho will never be regarded alongside likes of Michels, Sacchi, Shankly, Busby, Roux, Ferguson or Wenger. He was never a club builder and I'm afraid that it's going to take some time before we'll see someone in that vein. Mourinho has always been about short-term profit than long-term gain.

Between 2005-2010, Mourinho was by far the best gun for hire, a genetically-engineered assassin who would sacrifice innocents if he must, but he will kill the target no matter what.
Guardiola is the same in that aspect but I think he's more careful with his public persona and he obviously favors attacking football which is a more attractive sell, making sure the whole body is involved rather than just letting his mouth do all the work.
 

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What's interesting about this, apart from being very funny, is just how little the team has changed since three years ago. They just haven't developed the squad enough.

 

Notorious Big

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Nonsense. He arrived at Porto and got a huge injection of capital two years running. Then only ever been at one of the wealthiest squads in their respective countries Chelsea, Inter Milan, Real Madrid, Chelsea again, Manchester United.

All this while Wenger was wallowing around with a squad in the bottom half of the EPL for spend. After 2004 the highest spend position Wenger ever achieved was 5th. And he got top 4 for 20 years straight, a miracle worker.

Mourinho now has a team spending 6th in the League and as you'll see he'll get absolutely nowhere. And you know it. :lol:

And what happend to Porto and Inter after Mourinho left them ?
He was top manager on his day and i doubt that most managers would win CL with Porto and Inter with those players and they were no near close to win it after him.Don't like him at all,but his sides played some good football and after Real he was never same manager.

Others also had money to win titles and cups and they used to fail.
 

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Wenger got investment
Wrong. Check out the spending on Transfermarkt. In the years 1996 to 2012 the rivalry between SAF and Wenger, Ferguson had 11 times the spending of Arsène.

And in just the years 2004 to 2007. Mourinho spent 10 times what Wenger spent.

Yet Wenger challenged both these two managers with very limited funds. Moyes was nowhere near them, you're making stuff up.
 

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Wrong. Check out the spending on Transfermarkt. In the years 1996 to 2012 the rivalry between SAF and Wenger, Ferguson had 11 times the spending of Arsène.

And in just the years 2004 to 2007. Mourinho spent 10 times what Wenger spent.

Yet Wenger challenged both these two managers with very limited funds. Moyes was nowhere near them, you're making stuff up.
That is making stuff up. At no point Wenger challenged Mourinho and his rivalry with SAF was long gone with SAF just mostly feeling sorry for him.
 

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That is making stuff up. At no point Wenger challenged Mourinho and his rivalry with SAF was long gone with SAF just mostly feeling sorry for him.
Yeah, it's very easy for the wealthiest teams to look down the noses at the clubs that can't afford quality in enough positions. But Ferguson wasn't like that. He said, 'He is, without doubt, one of the greatest Premier League managers and I am proud to have been a rival, a colleague and a friend to such a great man."

And as for rivalry with Mourinho, Wenger finished 2nd in 2015/16 when Mourinho with a much wealthier team lost 9 of his first 16 league games and got himself sacked. Great manager.
 

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Yeah, it's very easy for the wealthiest teams to look down the noses at the clubs that can't afford quality in enough positions. But Ferguson wasn't like that. He said, 'He is, without doubt, one of the greatest Premier League managers and I am proud to have been a rival, a colleague and a friend to such a great man."

And as for rivalry with Mourinho, Wenger finished 2nd in 2015/16 when Mourinho with a much wealthier team lost 9 of his first 16 league games and got himself sacked. Great manager.
He won the league prior to that. That counts for way more than coming 2nd to Leicester of all teams. And once even when the money started coming Wenger still drove us down the table further down with club's like Tottenham and Liverpool with better managers showed up yet again- one of which far lesser investment in transfers and wages. He didn't even have another managerial offer post Arsenal sacking.

Nobody is saying Wenger wasn't a great manager once but he clearly declined and comparing him to Mourinho who's achieved more multiple times at all levels is just delusional.
 

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He won the league prior to that. That counts for way more than coming 2nd to Leicester of all teams. And once even when the money started coming Wenger still drove us down the table further down with club's like Tottenham and Liverpool with better managers showed up yet again- one of which far lesser investment in transfers and wages. He didn't even have another managerial offer post Arsenal sacking.

Nobody is saying Wenger wasn't a great manager once but he clearly declined and comparing him to Mourinho who's achieved more multiple times at all levels is just delusional.
Even you'd have to admit Mourinho dropped way lower than Wenger and without any pressure. Wenger only dropped out of the top 4 with a concerted effort by fans to disrupt games, protest, boycott matches and blanket cover social media.

Being a manager in this league is hard enough without all that stuff going on and having a squad only spending 5th. Deep down I know you know this.
 

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Even you'd have to admit Mourinho dropped way lower than Wenger and without any pressure. Wenger only dropped out of the top 4 with a concerted effort by fans to disrupt games, protest, boycott matches and blanket cover social media.

Being a manager in this league is hard enough without all that stuff going on and having a squad only spending 5th. Deep down I know you know this.
Oh come on. Mourinho was under pressure to win. We happened to ende up close to Leicester because everyone else was awful.

Of course its never Wenger's fault. Its Gazidis, the refs, the fans, the players, London, Kroenke, squad cost and whatever else. Wenger's job was to practically stand in the dugout while being one of the highest paid managers.

This is just revisionism and twisting to suit your perspective.

Anyway, why even bother anymore. Both are past it for sometime. It just remains to be seen if Mourinho is still capable of winning with Spuds. Its a pretty good squad he has so its there for him to prove if he isn't outdated.
 

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Oh come on. Mourinho was under pressure to win. We happened to ende up close to Leicester because everyone else was awful.

Of course its never Wenger's fault. Its Gazidis, the refs, the fans, the players, London, Kroenke, squad cost and whatever else. Wenger's job was to practically stand in the dugout while being one of the highest paid managers.

This is just revisionism and twisting to suit your perspective.

Anyway, why even bother anymore. Both are past it for sometime. It just remains to be seen if Mourinho is still capable of winning with Spuds. Its a pretty good squad he has so its there for him to prove if he isn't outdated.
:lol: Pretending you didn't see the planes flying overhead, or the memes, or the boycotts, or the rants on social media . . . that's the revisionism.

Mourinho had the fans behind him the whole time and he still ****ed up because he humiliated the players in public, so they downed tools. The players loved Wenger btw, because he was a decent human being who treated people with the utmost respect.

That's the truth. However you try and twist it, we all watched it happen.
 

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In defence of the fans a bit here.

When we moved to The Emirates, we were promised we would continue the success we had enjoyed at Highbury, yet that definitely didn't happen...hell, you could argue from how we could attract players point of view, that getting to the Champions League final in our last season at our old ground, is better than anything we have achieved at the new ground.

We got stuck in a permanent loop of being better than most, but not quite good enough to win the big trophies at the new stadium...to the board that was fine as all they aimed for was top four, but for the fans it was very frustrating...like being so close every night to the woman of your dreams, but never sealing the deal.

Then all our best players kept moving on, most to our rivals in the same league, that would piss anyone off...hated seeing Cole at Chelski, Robin at United, etc...it got kinda embarrassing.

People don't like change at the best of times, so when a board decides to leave a stadium were you have amazing memories, it better be ****ing worth it, as you are giving up your home...I will admit some of the things said about Arsène went too far, but that frustrating didn't just randomly appear, it had been building since summer 2006.
 

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In defence of the fans a bit here.

When we moved to The Emirates, we were promised we would continue the success we had enjoyed at Highbury, yet that definitely didn't happen...hell, you could argue from how we could attract players point of view, that getting to the Champions League final in our last season at our old ground, is better than anything we have achieved at the new ground.

We got stuck in a permanent loop of being better than most, but not quite good enough to win the big trophies at the new stadium...to the board that was fine as all they aimed for was top four, but for the fans it was very frustrating...like being so close every night to the woman of your dreams, but never sealing the deal.

Then all our best players kept moving on, most to our rivals in the same league, that would piss anyone off...hated seeing Cole at Chelski, Robin at United, etc...it got kinda embarrassing.

People don't like change at the best of times, so when a board decides to leave a stadium were you have amazing memories, it better be ****ing worth it, as you are giving up your home...I will admit some of the things said about Arsène went too far, but that frustrating didn't just randomly appear, it had been building since summer 2006.
Sums it up well bro. The fans were frustrated, top 4 all the time wasn't good enough and as you say, the richer teams kept poaching our players. But that's what happens if your owner investment is down the pecking order.

Let's see how it works out, we've still got the same owner and our squad is still 5th for spend.

Mourinho has a squad that's sixth for spend, will he do better than Wenger? Not a chance.

Football is all about money.
 

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:lol: Pretending you didn't see the planes flying overhead, or the memes, or the boycotts, or the rants on social media . . . that's the revisionism.

Mourinho had the fans behind him the whole time and he still ****ed up because he humiliated the players in public, so they downed tools. The players loved Wenger btw, because he was a decent human being who treated people with the utmost respect.

That's the truth. However you try and twist it, we all watched it happen.
If a bunch of planes, meme and rants rattles a manager earning 16m per year to the point of retirement then he was well past it for years. You and I both know that stuff has little influence. These things have been happening for years but all of a sudden you're trying to find the minimal excuse possible to twist it to your pov.
 

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Amazing manager when he was at his best, ceiling probably higher than Wenger even, but not one for longevity. So who knows where the history books will rank him
 

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If a bunch of planes, meme and rants rattles a manager earning 16m per year to the point of retirement then he was well past it for years. You and I both know that stuff has little influence. These things have been happening for years but all of a sudden you're trying to find the minimal excuse possible to twist it to your pov.
This stuff has a huge influence on the manager, players and in fact the whole club. It's irrelevant how much they're all paid. Even high quality players can suddenly play badly when their confidence is affected.

As Mourinho found out when he humiliated some of his Chelsea stars.
 

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This stuff has a huge influence on the manager, players and in fact the whole club. It's irrelevant how much they're all paid. Even high quality players can suddenly play badly when their confidence is affected.

As Mourinho found out when he humiliated some of his Chelsea stars.
That has a slight influence but that in itself is influenced by the manager and players rather than the other way around. You have everything warped up.

Mourinho still had the medals and records to show for it. Not saying its a good strategy at all but he put his money where his mouth is numerous times.
 

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