Lucas Torreira: 2019/20 Performances

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by OnlyOne, Aug 9, 2019.

  1. tcahill

    tcahill Well-Known Member

    Torreira has already played plenty of excellent games for us, we know he's got the quality. Players go through periods of bad form all the time. Playing under a bum manager and out of position hasn't done his form any favours either.
     
  2. Kysus

    Kysus Well-Known Member

    Torreira just is not and never will be good enough with the ball for a team trying to get into the top4.
    His sideway passing makes Elneny look like Özil ffs
     
  3. tcahill

    tcahill Well-Known Member

    Rewatch some of him last season. His skillset is far more than just a midfield destroyer. If he couldn't play with the ball Emery wouldn't be trying to play him so far forward.
     
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  4. gunner4lyfe

    gunner4lyfe Well-Known Member

    This is the biggest load of rubbish today. Lol. He hasn't been great recently but he is miles better than Elneny and he doesnt just pass sideways
     
  5. gunner4lyfe

    gunner4lyfe Well-Known Member

    Or a lot of players could improve.
     
  6. Kysus

    Kysus Well-Known Member

    You have this backwards, he plays further forward because he does not have the ability to pass it out from the back.
    It is so claringly obvious how limited his passing is
     
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  7. Toby Andrl

    Toby Andrl Part Time Stuttgart Fan Trusted

    Torreira isn't a standout passer, but he's surely not limited.

    And there's an interesting comparable case at Stuttgart right now:

    Tim Walter has pushed Santi Ascacibar - a seriously limited ballwinner and bad passer - from 6 to 8 for very similar reasons Sarri pushed up Kanté and Emery pushed up Torreira. First few games it looked horrible, there were even reports of a fallout between manager + club hierarchy and Ascacibar because the player felt he was used in the wrong position. Apparently they talked it out, and Ascacibar has accepted his tactical role and behold: Last few games his use of space, first touch, ball processing, vertical and short passing have improved significantly. Players can develop certain skill sets down the line if they are open to it and a manager able to train them properly.
     
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  8. MikeVinna

    MikeVinna Well-Known Member

    Just play him in front of the defense. It’s not rocket science. Trying to be clever by playing him further up the field with defensively limited players in the holding positions is ridiculous.. He’s a little pitbull, just let him loose.
     
  9. kraphtous

    kraphtous Unai Enemy

    He‘s not wrong, Elneny has better passing skills.
     
  10. UpTheGunnerz

    UpTheGunnerz Phallus Obsessed

    Well elneny is a really Good passer, kust not a very courageous one
     
  11. kraphtous

    kraphtous Unai Enemy

    I‘d say Elneny‘s passing is a little more adventurous than Torreira though not by a lot. I remember a few through balls that led to great chances from him but I can’t remember the last time Torreira even made a defense splitting pass let alone create a chance with nice passing.

    I don‘t blame Emery for not rating him, he‘s bang on about Torreira tbh and he was bang on about not rating Elneny too.
     
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  12. LG10

    LG10 Well-Known Member

    Torreira has the intelligence to play at an 8 not the physicality. Thats what's costing him, not sure he'll ever able to handle the physicality and pace of the league. Will be a monster at whatever Spanish/Italian club takes him.
     
  13. UpTheGunnerz

    UpTheGunnerz Phallus Obsessed

    Disagree about Torreira there, but each to their own.

    I remember Elnenys pass to THAT Özil goal agains Ludogorets but also that one to Welbz in Europa League in Moscow. He really had it in him, shame he didn't utilise those balls more.
     
  14. Big Poppa

    Big Poppa Well-Known Member Trusted

    While you’re completely right about this, Torreira at the start of last season, for the first time in years, gave us a bit of tenacity and bite in midfield. Our defence had some much needed protection and he was growing in confidence.

    The only reason to push a ball winner that high up the pitch is if you have lazy or physically lightweight forwards, but if you do that, you must replace what you’ve taken away.

    Torreira is also a midget. Willock closes players down in 2 strides to his 6. Even then I’d rather have a more technical creative passer at CAM. Not a box to box CM as Emery tries to do.

    We can be making progress and then switch it up for no reason. It’s things like that which make his pleas for patience hard to accept.
     
  15. teamsoutheast

    teamsoutheast Well-Known Member

    The utilisation of Torreira has been very interesting. I'm wondering if Emery is thinking, "can we make Torreira a more 'complete' midfielder". We know he's good at breaking up play and tackling but what if we could train him to be more complete, so he can tackle, create, pass, score etc... A bit similar to Verrati who I believe is one of the most complete midfielders in the world. He certainly does seem to have the right attributes for this. Just a matter of seeing if it's possible. Well worth trying to make him more complete as he does have the basic skillset to do so.
     
  16. Toby Andrl

    Toby Andrl Part Time Stuttgart Fan Trusted

    I think the reason to push the ballwinner high is trying to get quicker and higher up the pitch access to the ball after losing it and stuff like winning second balls. And because you want a different kind of profile at 6, most probably a ball distributor.

    And I absolutely agree with that you have to balance it out, still. E.g. Tim Walter mostly puts Karazor, a dlp, at 6, but he's got the advantage of being around 1.9m which evens out Ascacibar being a midget. Optimally in e.g. the case of a high ball, you have Karazor winning the aerial duel and then Ascacibar winning the second ball and processing it. But that 6 still has to do some defensive work and one of the problems at Stuttgart is that Karazor sometimes fails at this still too often. Another option of Walter was to put the physically strong Orel Mangala at 6, who pretty much resembles Willock albeit on a different level of course.

    The of course you've got to factor in that Walter uses a diamond or 4321, which allows him to push Ascacibar higher, but he's still just there to win balls high and then process them, not be the creative outlet of the team as he's got one or even two 10s in front of him.

    My point still stands that it's not complete bollocks to push a ballwiner higher and that someone like Torreira is surely capeable of adding to his skillset. But I agree that overall the midfield is imbalanced and that right now it doesn't make much sense to push Torreira high.
     
  17. GDeep™

    GDeep™ Wrong, But Rarely

    Emery can continue that project when he takes Torreira to Segunda B with him.
     
  18. Riou

    Riou Nostalgia Merchant

    Nothing to do with this, but I just noticed your Stuttgart fan tag line...what was your view on the old Green Goblin himself Alex Hleb, back in the day?
     
  19. Toby Andrl

    Toby Andrl Part Time Stuttgart Fan Trusted

    One of my favourite players ever, got me to follow Arsenal along Rosicky back in the day. Wonderful player. He even did fairly well during his second Stuttgart stint, even though we massively overpaid him.
     
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  20. Riou

    Riou Nostalgia Merchant

    He was made to play for Arsène in every way, one of the best dribblers we have ever had, looked impossible to get the ball from him on occasions...remember that interview he gave in 2010 when Birmingham visited the Emirates, and he asked for an Arsenal shirt in the background instead of a Birmingham one :lol:

    Side note...Him and Kuranyi were amazing for your boys on Championship Mananger 03-04.
     
    Last edited: Nov 11, 2019
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