Mesut Özil: 2019/20 Performances

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by razörist, Aug 9, 2019.

  1. UpTheGunnerz

    UpTheGunnerz Phallus Obsessed

    Gimme someone new.
     
  2. BigPoppaPump

    BigPoppaPump Laca Respect for Alexandre

    No one ever had to make excuses for Cesc. You didn’t have to be a genius football coach to see what he brings to the team like some go on about Özil.
     
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  3. Jury

    Jury Mission Accomplished

    Even in a side full of stars, I used to look at Cesc and think 'thank **** we've got him'. His name on the sheet inspired confidence. Özil may have done that in a different way for others, but Cesc was in-your-face quality.
     
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  4. Rex Banter

    Rex Banter YNWA Trusted

    Still think Cesc was helped by having a parade of top class strikers he could assist.

    All Özil had meanwhile was Giroud.
     
  5. Tir Na Nog

    Tir Na Nog In Big Trouble If He Speaks

    Tbf Cesc's best season was 09/10 when Van Persie was injured for most of it and Bendtner was starting week in week out.
     
  6. Riou

    Riou Nostalgia Merchant

    I would say 07/08, he even got his own tv show then!
     
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  7. Furious

    Furious Xhaka Propagandist

    07/08 Cesc was deffo the best all around. Though his 09/10 until he inevitably fell off after Christmas was ridiculous as well.

    Think overall it's a bit misguided to compare Özil and Cesc's Arsenal careers. Cesc was breaking through for us and had it all to prove for the world, he was utterly energetic and unstoppable at times. Meanwhile Özil took the step down from Real Madrid, which may have been a factor to him not being as good as we know he can be for longer periods than it has been the case. Cesc was similar for Chelsea after he flopped at Barca, one good season aside.

    Bottom line is, both have been magic for us, and I would've killed to see them in the same starting lineup for us.
     
  8. Riou

    Riou Nostalgia Merchant

    Will always have a soft spot for Cesc’s 04-05 mullet season aswell, he was just so unbelievable as a 17 year old...then that of course led to his 2006 Champions League performances :drool:
     
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  9. celestis

    celestis Arsenal-Mania Veteran Moderator

    He was also helped 3/4 amazing ball handlers. Santi to me is up there in the conversation
     
  10. MikeVinna

    MikeVinna Well-Known Member

    And to think we could have had Cesc, Özil and Santi at the same time..
     
  11. celestis

    celestis Arsenal-Mania Veteran Moderator

    Well we could have had Nasri , Özil , Santi , RVP and a bit of luck Wilshere , Cesc was always going to go home .

    In 09/10 Nasri was probably more influential than Cesc.
     
  12. Riou

    Riou Nostalgia Merchant

    Giroud was a little underrated, he was no Henry or RVP but still a good player...if we consistently played with two wingers instead of just one in Sanchez, his time here would have been better...wasn’t there a period in 14-15 Giroud went on a scoring run, eventually wining player of the month, with this team...

    Coquelin-Cazorla
    Chamberlain-Özil-Sanchez
    Giroud

    ...that team kind of covers Giroud’s weaknesses, and highlights his strengths.
     
  13. Riou

    Riou Nostalgia Merchant

  14. Red London

    Red London Well-Known Member

    In my personal opinion this thing about "he had better strikers on the end of his passes and it therefore made him look better" (or visa versa) doesn't necessarily mean too much in terms of judging a player. At the end of the day you will be able to see a player's quality when they are on the ball and what they do with it. The only thing I would imagine is affected is the amount of assists. But in terms of watching the club every game you can see how important a player is regardless.

    With Özil, he had a great partnership with Alexis which negated the fact we had an immobile striker (who has proven recently how much he helps a side outside of goalscoring anyway). He has recently had Auba and Laca.

    I'd say how well a number 10 plays is about the system around him. Our slow build up play doesnt suit Özil. Even though he is a technical player, he is better suited to quick fast paced transitions. Not such a slow build up speed. As we do play that style, we need someone who can keep hold of the ball and control the game, supplying Özil in dangerous positions in the process. Santi did that beautifully and Xhaka can't, so if we are talking about players who would have helped Özil flourish then I would probably look behind him in front of ahead.
     
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  15. Aussie_gunner123

    Aussie_gunner123 Well-Known Member

    We don't have any proper #10's playmaker these days, Özil is the only one but a top class one on his day, if we want to win we've got to have Özil as playmaker central & we've got to get the ball to him as much as possible.
     
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  16. Santi's Left Foot

    Santi's Left Foot Sleeps in Theo's bed


    Brings a tear to my eye, beautiful.
     
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  17. kraphtous

    kraphtous Unai Enemy

    The only captain who actually wants to stay.

    Love him!
     
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  18. scytheavatar

    scytheavatar Well-Known Member

    Soft midfield, would have been wrecked by many teams. Can't believe there's anyone who would want Cesc and Özil playing at the same time, and goes to show how tactically naive the vast majority of fans are.

    Newsflash, Özil wasn't better for Madrid as he was for us. Why did you think Perez was eager to move on from him? They were easily able to find an upgrade from him with a mere Di Maria, who then ended up being ditched too.
     
  19. CaseUteinberger

    CaseUteinberger Cazorla (not Carzola ffs)

    Damn he was good! :)
     
  20. razörist

    razörist Soft With The Ladies, Hard With The Mes

    Crying
     

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