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Mesut Özil: 2019/20 Performances

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by razörist, Aug 9, 2019.

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Why Isn't Özil Playing?

  1. Simple. Isn’t played for tactical reasons.

    8.5%
  2. Simple. Isn’t played because he isn’t good enough

    27.9%
  3. Falling out with Arteta for some reason

    12.4%
  4. Being frozen out in an effort to get him to leave. Arteta’s hands are tied

    31.8%
  5. Because he didn't take a pay-cut

    16.3%
  6. Personal reasons

    3.1%
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  1. GDeep™

    GDeep™ Dissociating

    So Chelsea have rejected a pay cut from their players, meanwhile Aston Villa agree a 4 month deferral.

    Arsenal getting their begging bowl out to their players for a pay cut over ONE YEAR looks pretty off atm, especially when you consider Arsenal champions itself as one of the best run clubs in England.
     
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  2. GunnerShy

    GunnerShy Well-Known Member

    Reading the Chelsea statement they've rejected the pay cut because they want to come back at a later date and renegotiate a larger one that the 3.3% the players offered presumably based on the (then) known impact. Not unlike Özil's position really.

    I agree it's strange we were so quick to agree one given that it may need to be revisited!
     
  3. say yes

    say yes Thread Title Abuser

    Our financial position really isn’t as robust as you seem to believe. Guys like SwissRamble on Twitter periodically do fantastic deep dives on this, go and have a read if you don’t believe me. Those cash reserves aren’t at our free disposal, and our finances have been pushed hard by our lack of CL football. Gazidis used to talk about how we had a contingency fund in case we dropped out of the CL for a year. Well we’re now heading to our fourth year out of it.

    Also come on, unless I’ve misread you there, it’s absurd to describe the effect of Covid as just an “unexpected delay” ffs.
    I don’t follow you at all here. How’s it a slap in the face to regular people that the club want to temporarily cut footballer wages?
    What’s bizarre is comparing football to other regular industries.

    How many other companies base their financial future around winning prize money? Or are limited in their ability to invest (FFP)? Or regularly trade employees to other companies for millions and millions of pounds? I could go on and on here. Simply put, football clubs are not normal businesses, and football players are not normal employees.

    Anyway, it seems like we’re miles apart on this, so let’s just agree to disagree.
     
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  4. Rex Banter

    Rex Banter Got Swerved By Gallas Trusted

    At the end of the day without getting bogged down as I’ll freely admit I don’t know the ins and outs of the football club so really if they need the money that badly, fine go for it. A little shocking but it is what is.

    But I’m sorry asking players to fund transfer budgets is laughable and I think deep down you know it is, most businesses need to thrive in order to increase profits. Yes football clubs are orientated towards prize money, but any private enterprise is geared towards securing something that will reward them financially be it market share, contracts or whatever it’s just football clubs are on a much more public stage.

    Football clubs don’t operate in a total bubble despite what you seem to be saying, they have unionised employees with contracts and asking them to fund recruitment through garnished wages is beyond parody.

    Actually think of the logistics of what you’re suggesting, if someone like Auba wants to leave in the next window what benefit is it to him that we’re docking his wage to fund new signings? Or what about some poor youth player who’s getting booted at the end of the season, doesn’t do him much good either really?

    Excusing Kroenke from taking responsibility and dipping into his considerably deeper pockets instead of a squad whip round for a new player is a galaxy brain take. The guy is a literal billionaire but everyone seems to have a hard on for getting the footballers to invest in their employers ffs.
     
  5. Bittersteel

    Bittersteel New Member

    The players should man up an tell the board to **** off. These clubs treat players they want to sell like ****, the moment you got too old after years of loyalty the club send you packing to some **** club with all that 'club needs to move on' talk. Now they want you to take a paycut after all that 'its a business' nonsense. **** out of here.
     
  6. GDeep™

    GDeep™ Dissociating

    Anybody heard what Roy Keane said? Shocking stuff. Listen from 4.45 onwards.



    Imagine treating Keane like that, bloke lived and died every minute for his club.

    I’ll always back footballers taking as much money as they can from the game.
     
  7. freeglennhelder2

    freeglennhelder2 Well-Known Member

    I hope all you lot crying over these poor downtrodden footballers earnings also fully backed Cole, Anelka, Nasri and RVP when they left Arsenal to maximise their income.....it’s a very short career after all. :lol::lol:

    I dunno man, people are losing their jobs and having salary reduced left right and centre and frontline staff are dying....I’ll be honest, not feeling a great deal of sympathy at the moment, just my personal opinion.
     
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  8. Macho

    Macho Well-Known Member Trusted

  9. krengon

    krengon One Arsene Wenger Trusted



    Poetry in motion:drool:..
     
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  10. Get These Hands

    Get These Hands Off of my purse !

  11. GDeep™

    GDeep™ Dissociating

    As a pure footballer, the best to have ever played for us in the modern era.
     
  12. Riou

    Riou Non-Stop Nostalgia

    Imagine wanting us to sign Higuaín over this artist in 2013, could never be me!
     
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  13. GDeep™

    GDeep™ Dissociating

    Only an inbred would pick Higuain above Mesut. Bottom of the barrel type stuff.
     
  14. Tir Na Nog

    Tir Na Nog In Big Trouble If He Speaks

    All the takeaways in North London probably wished we signed Higuain. I personally feel privileged to have watch Özil, absolutely incredible to watch. Not sure I'd have had the same feeling from watching a fat goal-poaching bottler.
     
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  16. say yes

    say yes Thread Title Abuser

  17. Oxeki

    Oxeki New Threads, Old Tweets

    You're right though.


    We signed one bottler. There was no need to sign two
    ;)
     
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  18. Aussie_gunner123

    Aussie_gunner123 Well-Known Member

    He was a great player in his prime & would have still been great I'd say if he was being used the right way & in good combos with the right players. Even I'll admit unfortunately he hasn't been at his best for a few years maybe since Emery came aboard or his major wage rise.
     
  19. scytheavatar

    scytheavatar Well-Known Member

    1, maybe 2 good seasons in 7 seasons...... Özil hasn't been at his best since 2015/16. Blaming Emery for Özil is pathetic, let's not pretend Wenger was able to get the best out of Özil.
     
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  20. Aussie_gunner123

    Aussie_gunner123 Well-Known Member

    Lets not forget Emery dropped him numerous times from the match day 18 numerous times, thats going to cause players form drop significantly & their confidence down. He certainly wasn't a consistent player at all over his career here though. Arteta has brought it back up slowly I feel but that's not going to mean anything.
     
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