Mesut Özil: 2019/20 Performances

[Macho]

He’s apologised to be fair.

Lets just go back to calling Özil sh*t/God on Earth.

 

[Jury]

He’s apologised to be fair.

Lets just go back to calling Özil sh*t/God on Earth.

Yeah I just saw it. I reacted without reading the rest of the thread

 

[Jury]

That is legit the angriest of ever seen @Rex Banter If it was anyone else I would of told them to go and drink a battery acid and COVID cocktail.

 

[Jury]

Yep.

All time stats in an Arsenal shirt:
1. Fabregas: 23936 mins, 57g, 92a, 160.6 mins per goal or assist
2. Özil: 20949 mins, 44g, 77a, 173.1 mins per goals or assist

Cesc cored more, assisted more, and did both at a higher rate considering minutes played.

However, that comparison is actually quite unfair on Cesc given that his first four seasons here were spent developing as a kid whereas Özil joined as a developed superstar. If we were only to compare Fabregas from 07/08 onwards (his breakout season) with Özil then we get the following results:

Stats following Fabregas's breakout season (07/08):
1. Fabregas: 12371 mins, 44g, 74a, 104.8 mins per goal or assist
2. Özil: 20949 mins, 44g, 77a, 173.1 mins per goals or assist

So Cesc not only wins, but wipes the floor with Mesut.

However, once again you could argue that comparison is unfair on Cesc given that he didn't start playing as a "10" until the 2009/2010 season. Before then he had been playing in a deeper midfield role, where you would expect him to be less productive. Özil, in comparison, has always played in an advanced role for us. If we were only to compare Fabregas's stats with Özil when playing the same role then we get the following results:

Stats following Fabregas's move to "10" role:
1. Fabregas: 5612 mins, 28g, 36a, 87.8 mins per goal or assist
2. Özil: 20949 mins, 44g, 77a, 173.1 mins per goals or assist

Özil's atomised body practically needs to be wiped off the floor at this point, with Fabregas proving to have been virtually twice as productive as Mesut while playing in a 10 role.

"bUt CeSc neVer HAd a seAsoN as GoOd as mEsUT iN 15/16"

Yes, he really did.

Spoiler: top 5 seasons from either Cesc / Özil in an Arsenal shirt:

1. Cesc 09/10: 3068 mins, 19g, 20a, 78.7 mins per goal or assist
2. Cesc 10/11: 2544 mins, 9g, 16a, 101.8 mins per goal or assist
3. Cesc 07/08: 3889 mins, 13g, 22, 111.1 mins per goal or assist
4. Özil 15/16: 3940 mins, 8g, 20a, 140.7 mins per goal or assist
5. Özil 16/17: 3746 mins, 12g, 14a, 144.1 mins per goal or assist

And none of that is even taking account Cesc’s much greater involvement in our build up play / defensive involvements. Cesc @ Arsenal was absolute levels above Özil @ Arsenal.

**** me, that’s just brutal. You can’t just destroy an argument like that ffs. I mean, we’ve already established he’s now useless—all his ultras had left was the Cesc comparison. Oh well

 

[Rex Stone]

That is legit the angriest of ever seen @Rex Banter If it was anyone else I would of told them to go and drink a battery acid and COVID cocktail.

Yeah having a shocker of a day and let it seep into AM

My bad.

 

[Macho]

Yeah having a shocker of a day and let it seep into AM

My bad.

I’ve done it, my bad if I came off rude myself.

 

[Riou]

And with that, the legendary Macho Man/Rex Banter feud is over and they are friends again, like to think I helped ease the tension with my perfectly timed South Park vid...

@Rex Banter actually told me once he had a similar haircut to Hulk Hogan.

 

[Jury]

And with that the Macho Man/Rex Banter feud is over and they are friends again, like to think I helped ease the tension with my perfectly timed South Park vid...

@Rex Banter actually told me once he had a similar haircut to Hulk Hogan.

Savage felt pythons there didn’t he? RIP great man.

 

[Oxeki]

Yep.

All time stats in an Arsenal shirt:
1. Fabregas: 23936 mins, 57g, 92a, 160.6 mins per goal or assist
2. Özil: 20949 mins, 44g, 77a, 173.1 mins per goals or assist

Cesc cored more, assisted more, and did both at a higher rate considering minutes played.

However, that comparison is actually quite unfair on Cesc given that his first four seasons here were spent developing as a kid whereas Özil joined as a developed superstar. If we were only to compare Fabregas from 07/08 onwards (his breakout season) with Özil then we get the following results:

Stats following Fabregas's breakout season (07/08):
1. Fabregas: 12371 mins, 44g, 74a, 104.8 mins per goal or assist
2. Özil: 20949 mins, 44g, 77a, 173.1 mins per goals or assist

So Cesc not only wins, but wipes the floor with Mesut.

However, once again you could argue that comparison is unfair on Cesc given that he didn't start playing as a "10" until the 2009/2010 season. Before then he had been playing in a deeper midfield role, where you would expect him to be less productive. Özil, in comparison, has always played in an advanced role for us. If we were only to compare Fabregas's stats with Özil when playing the same role then we get the following results:

Stats following Fabregas's move to "10" role:
1. Fabregas: 5612 mins, 28g, 36a, 87.8 mins per goal or assist
2. Özil: 20949 mins, 44g, 77a, 173.1 mins per goals or assist

Özil's atomised body practically needs to be wiped off the floor at this point, with Fabregas proving to have been virtually twice as productive as Mesut while playing in a 10 role.

"bUt CeSc neVer HAd a seAsoN as GoOd as mEsUT iN 15/16"

Yes, he really did.

Spoiler: top 5 seasons from either Cesc / Özil in an Arsenal shirt:

1. Cesc 09/10: 3068 mins, 19g, 20a, 78.7 mins per goal or assist
2. Cesc 10/11: 2544 mins, 9g, 16a, 101.8 mins per goal or assist
3. Cesc 07/08: 3889 mins, 13g, 22, 111.1 mins per goal or assist
4. Özil 15/16: 3940 mins, 8g, 20a, 140.7 mins per goal or assist
5. Özil 16/17: 3746 mins, 12g, 14a, 144.1 mins per goal or assist

And none of that is even taking account Cesc’s much greater involvement in our build up play / defensive involvements. Cesc @ Arsenal was absolute levels above Özil @ Arsenal.

This post just basically puts an end to the Özil-Cesc argument



The Özil acolytes are probably not going to respond to this post.
They ignore fact when they see it

 

[Jae]

Actually tbf I do agree with this. I’m not a diehard fan of his, his Erdogan stuff was dodgy but he seems a decent guy off the field as does Fabregas and yeah owners should be questioned as much as footballers.

Looking back at it, I overreacted at something that probably wasn’t meant for me so yeah apologies to you, @Jae and @Jury

No worries pal it wasn't actually aimed at anyone in particular anyway. I'd just noticed the fact that nobody had acknowledged it and pointed it out.

 

[Get These Hands]

Yep.

All time stats in an Arsenal shirt:
1. Fabregas: 23936 mins, 57g, 92a, 160.6 mins per goal or assist
2. Özil: 20949 mins, 44g, 77a, 173.1 mins per goals or assist

Cesc cored more, assisted more, and did both at a higher rate considering minutes played.

However, that comparison is actually quite unfair on Cesc given that his first four seasons here were spent developing as a kid whereas Özil joined as a developed superstar. If we were only to compare Fabregas from 07/08 onwards (his breakout season) with Özil then we get the following results:

Stats following Fabregas's breakout season (07/08):
1. Fabregas: 12371 mins, 44g, 74a, 104.8 mins per goal or assist
2. Özil: 20949 mins, 44g, 77a, 173.1 mins per goals or assist

So Cesc not only wins, but wipes the floor with Mesut.

However, once again you could argue that comparison is unfair on Cesc given that he didn't start playing as a "10" until the 2009/2010 season. Before then he had been playing in a deeper midfield role, where you would expect him to be less productive. Özil, in comparison, has always played in an advanced role for us. If we were only to compare Fabregas's stats with Özil when playing the same role then we get the following results:

Stats following Fabregas's move to "10" role:
1. Fabregas: 5612 mins, 28g, 36a, 87.8 mins per goal or assist
2. Özil: 20949 mins, 44g, 77a, 173.1 mins per goals or assist

Özil's atomised body practically needs to be wiped off the floor at this point, with Fabregas proving to have been virtually twice as productive as Mesut while playing in a 10 role.

"bUt CeSc neVer HAd a seAsoN as GoOd as mEsUT iN 15/16"

Yes, he really did.

Spoiler: top 5 seasons from either Cesc / Özil in an Arsenal shirt:

1. Cesc 09/10: 3068 mins, 19g, 20a, 78.7 mins per goal or assist
2. Cesc 10/11: 2544 mins, 9g, 16a, 101.8 mins per goal or assist
3. Cesc 07/08: 3889 mins, 13g, 22, 111.1 mins per goal or assist
4. Özil 15/16: 3940 mins, 8g, 20a, 140.7 mins per goal or assist
5. Özil 16/17: 3746 mins, 12g, 14a, 144.1 mins per goal or assist

And none of that is even taking account Cesc’s much greater involvement in our build up play / defensive involvements. Cesc @ Arsenal was absolute levels above Özil @ Arsenal.

This was brutal. RIP Özil fangirls.

 

[TakeChillPill]

Yep.

All time stats in an Arsenal shirt:
1. Fabregas: 23936 mins, 57g, 92a, 160.6 mins per goal or assist
2. Özil: 20949 mins, 44g, 77a, 173.1 mins per goals or assist

Cesc cored more, assisted more, and did both at a higher rate considering minutes played.

However, that comparison is actually quite unfair on Cesc given that his first four seasons here were spent developing as a kid whereas Özil joined as a developed superstar. If we were only to compare Fabregas from 07/08 onwards (his breakout season) with Özil then we get the following results:

Stats following Fabregas's breakout season (07/08):
1. Fabregas: 12371 mins, 44g, 74a, 104.8 mins per goal or assist
2. Özil: 20949 mins, 44g, 77a, 173.1 mins per goals or assist

So Cesc not only wins, but wipes the floor with Mesut.

However, once again you could argue that comparison is unfair on Cesc given that he didn't start playing as a "10" until the 2009/2010 season. Before then he had been playing in a deeper midfield role, where you would expect him to be less productive. Özil, in comparison, has always played in an advanced role for us. If we were only to compare Fabregas's stats with Özil when playing the same role then we get the following results:

Stats following Fabregas's move to "10" role:
1. Fabregas: 5612 mins, 28g, 36a, 87.8 mins per goal or assist
2. Özil: 20949 mins, 44g, 77a, 173.1 mins per goals or assist

Özil's atomised body practically needs to be wiped off the floor at this point, with Fabregas proving to have been virtually twice as productive as Mesut while playing in a 10 role.

"bUt CeSc neVer HAd a seAsoN as GoOd as mEsUT iN 15/16"

Yes, he really did.

Spoiler: top 5 seasons from either Cesc / Özil in an Arsenal shirt:

1. Cesc 09/10: 3068 mins, 19g, 20a, 78.7 mins per goal or assist
2. Cesc 10/11: 2544 mins, 9g, 16a, 101.8 mins per goal or assist
3. Cesc 07/08: 3889 mins, 13g, 22, 111.1 mins per goal or assist
4. Özil 15/16: 3940 mins, 8g, 20a, 140.7 mins per goal or assist
5. Özil 16/17: 3746 mins, 12g, 14a, 144.1 mins per goal or assist

And none of that is even taking account Cesc’s much greater involvement in our build up play / defensive involvements. Cesc @ Arsenal was absolute levels above Özil @ Arsenal.

Sure but Özil is still better at creating space for others

 

[Kav]

Yep.

All time stats in an Arsenal shirt:
1. Fabregas: 23936 mins, 57g, 92a, 160.6 mins per goal or assist
2. Özil: 20949 mins, 44g, 77a, 173.1 mins per goals or assist

Cesc cored more, assisted more, and did both at a higher rate considering minutes played.

However, that comparison is actually quite unfair on Cesc given that his first four seasons here were spent developing as a kid whereas Özil joined as a developed superstar. If we were only to compare Fabregas from 07/08 onwards (his breakout season) with Özil then we get the following results:

Stats following Fabregas's breakout season (07/08):
1. Fabregas: 12371 mins, 44g, 74a, 104.8 mins per goal or assist
2. Özil: 20949 mins, 44g, 77a, 173.1 mins per goals or assist

So Cesc not only wins, but wipes the floor with Mesut.

However, once again you could argue that comparison is unfair on Cesc given that he didn't start playing as a "10" until the 2009/2010 season. Before then he had been playing in a deeper midfield role, where you would expect him to be less productive. Özil, in comparison, has always played in an advanced role for us. If we were only to compare Fabregas's stats with Özil when playing the same role then we get the following results:

Stats following Fabregas's move to "10" role:
1. Fabregas: 5612 mins, 28g, 36a, 87.8 mins per goal or assist
2. Özil: 20949 mins, 44g, 77a, 173.1 mins per goals or assist

Özil's atomised body practically needs to be wiped off the floor at this point, with Fabregas proving to have been virtually twice as productive as Mesut while playing in a 10 role.

"bUt CeSc neVer HAd a seAsoN as GoOd as mEsUT iN 15/16"

Yes, he really did.

Spoiler: top 5 seasons from either Cesc / Özil in an Arsenal shirt:

1. Cesc 09/10: 3068 mins, 19g, 20a, 78.7 mins per goal or assist
2. Cesc 10/11: 2544 mins, 9g, 16a, 101.8 mins per goal or assist
3. Cesc 07/08: 3889 mins, 13g, 22, 111.1 mins per goal or assist
4. Özil 15/16: 3940 mins, 8g, 20a, 140.7 mins per goal or assist
5. Özil 16/17: 3746 mins, 12g, 14a, 144.1 mins per goal or assist

And none of that is even taking account Cesc’s much greater involvement in our build up play / defensive involvements. Cesc @ Arsenal was absolute levels above Özil @ Arsenal.

Interesting comparison. Though I ponder... the comparison isn’t exactly like for like. For instance Cesc had 3000 more minutes played which amounts to another 33 games. Perhaps this would be a stronger argument had the minutes been identical. This is the only fair way to judge them.

secondly you mentioned Cesc breakout season but did not factor in that all foreign players usually have to acclimatize to the league and their team mates.
Also the players came in at different stages of their careers. We Should compare their entire body of work and not parts of it.

Thirdly you changed the metrics and added other factors like Cesc in a ten role which would reduce the sample size for him. That naturally skews the data sample and the numbers will be advantageous to fabregas. See earlier point above.


Lastly does your comparison factor in the different strengths of the team? Without a doubt the teams Cesc played in were above and beyond the crap we have now. I mean Cesc didn’t have to worry about Giroud and Walcott wasting chances.

I do not doubt that Cesc was a far better player than Özil has been for us. I am just minded to see a fairer comparison.

 

[Oxeki]

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Lastly does your comparison factor in the different strengths of the team? Without a doubt the teams Cesc played in were above and beyond the crap we have now. I mean Cesc didn’t have to worry about Giroud and Walcott wasting chances.

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Özil has been playing with Laca and Auba for two seasons.

Cesc never had a full season with RVP

 

[Oxeki]

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secondly you mentioned Cesc breakout season but did not factor in that all foreign players usually have to acclimatize to the league and their team mates.
Also the players came in at different stages of their careers. We Should compare their entire body of work and not parts of it.
.

Not all Foreign players take a season to acclimatize. Santi, Sanchez and Auba didn't take a season to acclimatize

 

[Kav]

Not all Foreign players take a season to acclimatize. Santi, Sanchez and Auba didn't take a season to acclimatize

That is true

 

[Kav]

Özil has been playing with Laca and Auba for two seasons.

Cesc never had a full season with RVP

Also true but the overall quality of our present squad is miles off the 05-09 squad

 

[say yes]

Interesting comparison. Though I ponder... the comparison isn’t exactly like for like. For instance Cesc had 3000 more minutes played which amounts to another 33 games. Perhaps this would be a stronger argument had the minutes been identical. This is the only fair way to judge them.

Huh? The stats are all weighted per minutes played. It’s practically impossible for any two players to have played an identical number of minutes.

We Should compare their entire body of work and not parts of it.

The first comparison listed is literally of their entire bodies of work at Arsenal.

 

[GDeep™]

@say yes twisting stats again? Glad I ignore his stats based posts.

 

[James Bond]

Yep.

All time stats in an Arsenal shirt:
1. Fabregas: 23936 mins, 57g, 92a, 160.6 mins per goal or assist
2. Özil: 20949 mins, 44g, 77a, 173.1 mins per goals or assist

Cesc cored more, assisted more, and did both at a higher rate considering minutes played.

However, that comparison is actually quite unfair on Cesc given that his first four seasons here were spent developing as a kid whereas Özil joined as a developed superstar. If we were only to compare Fabregas from 07/08 onwards (his breakout season) with Özil then we get the following results:

Stats following Fabregas's breakout season (07/08):
1. Fabregas: 12371 mins, 44g, 74a, 104.8 mins per goal or assist
2. Özil: 20949 mins, 44g, 77a, 173.1 mins per goals or assist

So Cesc not only wins, but wipes the floor with Mesut.

However, once again you could argue that comparison is unfair on Cesc given that he didn't start playing as a "10" until the 2009/2010 season. Before then he had been playing in a deeper midfield role, where you would expect him to be less productive. Özil, in comparison, has always played in an advanced role for us. If we were only to compare Fabregas's stats with Özil when playing the same role then we get the following results:

Stats following Fabregas's move to "10" role:
1. Fabregas: 5612 mins, 28g, 36a, 87.8 mins per goal or assist
2. Özil: 20949 mins, 44g, 77a, 173.1 mins per goals or assist

Özil's atomised body practically needs to be wiped off the floor at this point, with Fabregas proving to have been virtually twice as productive as Mesut while playing in a 10 role.

"bUt CeSc neVer HAd a seAsoN as GoOd as mEsUT iN 15/16"

Yes, he really did.

Spoiler: top 5 seasons from either Cesc / Özil in an Arsenal shirt:

1. Cesc 09/10: 3068 mins, 19g, 20a, 78.7 mins per goal or assist
2. Cesc 10/11: 2544 mins, 9g, 16a, 101.8 mins per goal or assist
3. Cesc 07/08: 3889 mins, 13g, 22, 111.1 mins per goal or assist
4. Özil 15/16: 3940 mins, 8g, 20a, 140.7 mins per goal or assist
5. Özil 16/17: 3746 mins, 12g, 14a, 144.1 mins per goal or assist

And none of that is even taking account Cesc’s much greater involvement in our build up play / defensive involvements. Cesc @ Arsenal was absolute levels above Özil @ Arsenal.

FULL TIME: Arsenal Mania 1-0 Özil-Mania
Arsenal supporters celebrate a big victory over the nonsense created by the stans of Özil. Blind player worship and embellishment of career effectiveness in an Arsenal shirt from Mesut’s cult was challenging to break down, various members have tried, but top drawer posting from @say yes proves to be the difference today. Take a bow son.