Mesut Özil: He came, he saw, he conquered

[Jury]

"Özil ultras" used to get pissed at **** like this headline from the worst newspaper in Britain:

That knob has more or less come clean to being a ****, for writing that. That was as bad as it got. Completely undermined all the fair criticism Özil got. Of all the things you could have leveled at Mesut back then--and there wasn't loads of different things he was lacking in tbh--being 'lost', 'lazy', 'two-bob' and 'nicking a living' were all either as far from the truth as could be, or just plain spiteful. Both, even. Gutter press at it's worst.

 

[ArsenesNO1Fan]

That knob has more or less come clean to being a ****, for writing that. That was as bad as it got. Completely undermined all the fair criticism Özil got. Of all the things you could have leveled at Mesut back then--and there wasn't loads of different things he was lacking in tbh--being 'lost', 'lazy', 'two-bob' and 'nicking a living' are all either as far from the truth as could be, or just plain spiteful. Both, even. Gutter press at it's worst.

Are they as bad as Benayoun comparisons?

 

[Lilwizzle]

I think it's fair to say he is somewhat better this year considering he has already more than tripled his league assists.

Somewhat? Let's be real, he's improved in everyway. Assists aside, his workrate, strength, commitment and leadership(according to @say yes ) are all levels above what they used to be.

 

[Jury]

Are they as bad as Benayoun comparisons?

You'd have to say Benayoun is as good, or the better player for it to be a 'comparison'. But if so, then yes, it's as bad. Context is important.

 

[Jury]

Are they as bad as Benayoun comparisons?

You should tread lightly, son. I've dug stuff up you've written, but I'll stay classy for now

#ArsenesNO1fanISsafe

 

[Jasard]

Somewhat? Let's be real, he's improved in everyway. Assists aside, his workrate, strength, commitment and leadership(according to @say yes ) are all levels above what they used to be.

Heh, I was going say a 'teeny tiny bit better' but I was worried people would take that literally but here we are.

(but yeah you are correct)

 

[gunnergoa]

With Özil creating at one end and Cech saving at the other. The two of them will hopefully will take us to the title.

 

[DasBootist]

With Özil creating at one end and Cech saving at the other. The two of them will hopefully will take us to the title.

Half of your post belongs in the Cech thread, m8.

 

[gunnergoa]

Half of your post belongs in the Cech thread, m8.

ahh yeah forgot will do that now

 

[chessygoal]

I quoted full posts. Don't try and hit out at me if you got caught in the crossfire. Blame yourself kid.

Fact is you didn't, and I'm old enough to be your dad

 

[The_Roadrunner]

ffs, I always knew he was a great player. The question was: 'can he be a great player for Arsenal?' Being great for Madrid was all well and good, but I couldnt give a **** about his exploits in Spain.

Stop word parsing to avoid admitting you were ****ing wrong.

Just admit you called it wrong on Özil and move on. Stop trying to play some game of parsing words thinking it saves you face.

Those of us who were reading this thread the last two years remember who believed Özil would pull through and who was a doubter. You were a doubter. Don't be a revisionist. man up

 

[Sweggeh]

Jury would make a good politician.

 

[Iceman10]

Somewhat? Let's be real, he's improved in everyway. Assists aside, his workrate, strength, commitment and leadership(according to @say yes ) are all levels above what they used to be.

I don't know of anyone who would dispute that he was world class when he left Real Madrid. Maybe there are (?) CR7 was pretty upset with them selling him, for one. Is Özil a better player than when he left RM? I think so, but a lot of it is him being a more complete player, as a result of having to adapt. Pretty much agreeing with you, but just adding some context.

... This whole thing was really a lot more than just Özil. It extended to AW's decision to buy Özil, and the overall 'project'. This is something that has been in the subtext somewhat, i.e. AW's judgement.

 

[Jury]

Stop word parsing to avoid admitting you were ****ing wrong.

Just admit you called it wrong on Özil and move on. Stop trying to play some game of parsing words thinking it saves you face.

Those of us who were reading this thread the last two years remember who believed Özil would pull through and who was a doubter. You were a doubter. Don't be a revisionist. man up

What an anal post!

How can you quote that post and then go off on a tangent like that?! There's nothing in that post that smacks of trying to save face! Is comprehension not a strong point or something?

Look, sherlock, I've said on more than one occasion these last few pages that I very much doubted we'd see this form. Not many did either, it turns out.

I've also maintained from the start that Özil is undoubtedly a world class player. Who didn't know that before he came here?

It's all very simple to follow, is long as you read it properly.

My problem, I repeat, was that I thought we wasn't seeing that of him at Arsenal, and wasn't likely to. He went on to show it... That's IT!!

 

[Trilly]

You should tread lightly, son. I've dug stuff up you've written, but I'll stay classy for now

#ArsenesNO1fanISsafe

Might as well reveal the ting(s).

 

[Jury]

Might as well reveal the ting(s).

He said he wasn't world class on page two. He was clearly very down on him at the time. **** knows why, because he was brilliant even then, apparently.

#ArsenesNO1fanexposed

 

[blaze_of_glory]

All 16 of his assists so far this season.

 

[celestis]

All 16 of his assists so far this season.

Excellent goals by Theo and Giroud first two . Theo holding off an orc while bringing the ball down shows he is capable of holding his own physically .

 

[Trilly]

Stop word parsing to avoid admitting you were ****ing wrong.

Just admit you called it wrong on Özil and move on. Stop trying to play some game of parsing words thinking it saves you face.

Those of us who were reading this thread the last two years remember who believed Özil would pull through and who was a doubter. You were a doubter. Don't be a revisionist. man up

Is there actually anything wrong with being a doubter?

 

[Trilly]

I mean, the guy is doing exceptionally well for Arsenal and we're on an Arsenal forum.

Banter is one thing but we're getting into serious debates about who rated who first and whatnot.