Mikel Arteta: Serial Trophy Winning MANAGER

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by OnlyOne, Dec 20, 2019.

  1. lomekian

    lomekian Well-Known Member

    They've won the league after 30 years. They couldn't give a rats rectum!
  2. lomekian

    lomekian Well-Known Member

    We didn't have a DOF. Only DOF acquisitions have been Mari & Cedric. Jury's out on both. But not exactly big bucks.

    As Raul said, last summer is all on him.
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  3. Emeryates

    Emeryates Heccy Regret

    What I liked most about this statement is someone at the club finally acknowledging that you can only get success if you ****ing spend some money. Wenger, for all his good attributes, could say some inane stuff on this topic, like what he said on Holding not being worth 50 million or so.

    When you buy from the bargain bin, you won't get good players. I know he did well and people will be bigging him up tonight and rehashing that Wenger quote, but you can see he's not a 50 million player, and that's why he doesn't start every game. He is inconistent af, and that's why he was cheap.

    We finally have a manager that's asking to spend. I get that we can't break the bank but at least buy young talents then, instead of what we're doing. Luiz/Cedric is just weird policy and cost saving when we need to spend money. Luiz and Cedric will never improve to be good enough, I'd rather have spent 10 million on some young kid with potential than those two, who are at their limit.
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  4. Garrincha

    Garrincha Wilf Zaha Aficionado

    Just cant really see this being the time to go big.

    We are in the middle of a pandemic, a completely unproven manager & serious questions over the recruitment power group.
  5. Manberg

    Manberg Predator

    This is a manager with a vision and in his short time here has shown signs of improvement. 100% worth backing by buying the players he wants.
    I don’t see how the pandemic will negatively affect the transfer market. If anything it could drive prices down.
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  6. KrissKringle

    KrissKringle Well-Known Member

    Fixed it for you.
  7. Garrincha

    Garrincha Wilf Zaha Aficionado

    I agree with the vision & signs of improvement but he is pretty much a head coach. We might be one of the hardest hit without match day revenue if this is the reality for 6/12/24 months.

  8. grange

    grange Well-Known Member

    What can you actually criticize this guy over? You lot moan more than porn stars. Give it a rest.
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  9. field442

    field442 Hates Journalists Named James

    It’s not about going big though. It’s about being able to buy a couple of players or buy none. Arteta spoke about how Liverpool improved the spine of their team so he probably wants to buy a CB and CM, but that doesn’t mean he wants to spend £150m.
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  10. SingmeasongSong

    SingmeasongSong Rarely Right

    The way Kroenke has handled his investment with Arsenal has been absolute poverty - and I'm not talking on the pitch stuff, but as a business man.

    He could've just decided to invest ONCE in more than a decade where players even cost relatively little in comparison and we'd have gone on to win a few titles.

    Would've increased the worth of the club and everybody could see that the money in football was soaring up. Almost nobody made a real loss on a good player even when you payed 30% more because you sold him for double 4 years later, if you managed his contract well.

    It's not as easy now, but we seem to have another coach that is capable of working beyond his means and if Kroenke doesn't want to see his investment fall into mediocrecy and ultimately see it lose worth massively, he better start spending the absolute minimum.

    We ain't talking city-cash here.
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  11. DanDare

    DanDare Emoji Merchant

    But that Holding quote was in reference to John Stones who has shown he isn't a £55m player either. Holding cost £1.8m, £Stones £55m and both are probably worth about the same and I'd rather have Holding.

    You said later you'd rather take a gamble on a kid but then are surprised Holding (still only 24) is inconsistent. And is he? When he's fit?

    Posts all over the place.
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  12. <<reed>>

    <<reed>> Meme Merchant

    the Basque Mourinho
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  13. scytheavatar

    scytheavatar Well-Known Member

    There's only so much you have do with just ONCE investment in more than a decade....... you are vastly overestimating the willingness of clubs to sell and players to move at the time when their leverage is the lowest. And when we probably have no European football to offer the players.
  14. bingobob

    bingobob Fan of Technicians Who Show Great Character

    Whilst I agree with the sentiments it's nothing more than a quote to fill papers. Dig a bit deeper and it's an empty quote. We dont need to just spend if we did what am about to write wouldnt be true.

    EL result took us out of any CL contention via Europe. thats nothing to do with spend. Brighton and Leicester results killed us since the restart. Win those and we are level with Leicester and United. Beat Sp**s and we are 3 ahead with a game in hand.

    But it goes back further than that. Everyone knew Emery was a dead duck. And we persisted with him. The points dropped then have come back to haunt us. Losing to Sheffield united and Leicester, drawing to Southampton, Wolves and Palace.

    I dont think the way Arteta has framed it is right. Yes of course we need to spend but more importantly we need to sell the duds in the squad. It's those duds that cost us points. It's the spending in previous years that built an imbalanced squad.

    Realistically we dont need to spend hundreds of millions. We just need a trimmed squad with a sprinkle of players in the right places. CM and CB are the priority. Then if Aubameyang and Lacazette leave a CF.
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  15. Lady_Gooner

    Lady_Gooner That's Mrs. Ramsey to you buster!

    Good on him. The decline we’ve been in has picked up pace the last few years and we need heavy investment to change the momentum
  16. HairSprayGooners

    HairSprayGooners Al Jazeera Correspondent

    This is THE time to go big. You have no restrictions on what you can do until next year. You go big now and make the gap a lot smaller.
  17. TornadoTed

    TornadoTed Well-Known Member

    I don't understand this criticism of Edu, he hasn't even had a proper window yet. He came in 3 weeks before the Summer window shut. He would have had pretty much zero influence on signings, all players would have been identified and scouted for months before. January barely counts as we could only bring in loans.

    His job is to work with the manager to assess the squad, come up with a long term strategy for squad building, I doubt any DOF has much influence for the first 12 months. I will start to judge him in 12-18 months time, but not now.
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  18. truth_hurts

    truth_hurts Well-Known Member

    5 or so games ago, Mikel looked a beaten man. I've been critical, but we're in an FA cup final and have only a silly red and gifts to Tottenham to thank for bot being in a top 4 race.

    Next season will be interesting.
  19. yybecause

    yybecause Formerly known as ArsenaLover

    My friend was a bit stunned once we did the comeback, after I told him it would happen of we switch to back 4.

    I really liked that we started a game with 11 players that are good fit for both 3 man d and 4, and that allowed us to switch it during the game without waiting go for subs later in the game.

    Balance is so important, and if you do it right tactically you always have a good chance
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  20. Wryer

    Wryer Well-Known Member

    As a fan - this is what you want to see. Love the desire, love the pressure. The tension with the board is palpable. He is obviously irked by the situation - why wouldn't he, coming from a place like Man City?

    However, the finance person in me says it's absolutely crazy to start throwing money in this climate. We are talking about solvency here. Especially considering we have made a hugeee number of piss poor financial decisions over the last 10 years.

    I guess the bottom line is - do we want to see a 10th place Arsenal or an Arsenal in administration? Just to be absolutely clear - I can't decide myself.

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