PL: West Ham v Arsenal | December 9, 20:00 GMT | Sky Sports

[Malky]

Lost count how many times I've watched Freddie and the players embrace each other at the end. Don't remember ever seeing that with Emery.

 

[Hexagon9]

I don't read a newspaper or watch the left wing bbc. I'm old enough and wise enough to know socialism doesn't work. Basic politics of envy, why should they have it and not me. Usually because they have worked their arse off for it rather than sitting back thinking the world owes them a living. What makes me smile is all these young pups who idolise the crap Corbyn comes out with are the very people who will be saddled with the massive debt he creates when they are in the later part of their lives, and, interestingly, when he is long gone. But what this has all got to do with Arsenal finally winning a game I'm at a loss to know.

If you don’t watch it, how do you know it’s left-wing?

 

[Santi's Left Foot]

I don't read a newspaper or watch the left wing bbc. I'm old enough and wise enough to know socialism doesn't work. Basic politics of envy, why should they have it and not me. Usually because they have worked their arse off for it rather than sitting back thinking the world owes them a living. What makes me smile is all these young pups who idolise the crap Corbyn comes out with are the very people who will be saddled with the massive debt he creates when they are in the later part of their lives, and, interestingly, when he is long gone. But what this has all got to do with Arsenal finally winning a game I'm at a loss to know.

Usual right wing bollocks here. What's even more hilarious is thinking that the BBC is left wing when they are basically the tory party state propaganda arm especially since Corbyn became leader, the mask has well and truly slipped.

Most people on here are well informed, you won't be going anywhere with these sort of opinions.

 

[Make]

We played very bad, but we needed a victory asap

 

[Vinci]

Are you saying the NHS does not work? What about free public schools? These are socialist concepts.
I can spend all day explaining the failures of capitalism, such as the huge gap between rich and poor, the fact that a few privileged people can earn billions whilst 99% live off scraps, people like Stan Kroenke having so much power over Arsenal etc... but I won’t.

bbc is not left wing at all. 80% of the media and newspapers are actually right wing and they protect the interests of their billionaire owners who hide their wealth offshore and avoid tax.

Name me one socialist regime that was successful in the long run.

 

[Santi's Left Foot]

Name me one socialist regime that was successful in the long run.

China, Cuba, Mondragon Corporation, Soviet Union, besides what has that got to do with mild democratic social reforms.

Also, if you studied the reasons why maybe you wouldn't spout meaningless tropes like this.

 

[Vinci]

China, Cuba, Mondragon Corporation, Soviet Union, besides what has that got to do with mild democratic social reforms.

Also, if you studied the reasons why maybe you wouldn't spout meaningless tropes like this.

You can't be serious with these countries. The main reason poverty worldwide is decreasing because countries like China have become more capitalist.

But let's just agree to disagree, it's clear you aren't willing to go about this in a normal way.

 

[CaseUteinberger]

How poor we were in the first half shouldn't be swept under the rug, lets not forget West Ham are one of the only teams in worse form than us.

We still have a long way to go, this win is a good start but the first half still worries me.

Was listening to the MNC podcast driving to work and they were right. Our first 60-65 minutes were just plain awful. One of the worse Arsenal performances I can remember. Then without any warning we string together some quick passes vertically with tempo and we score. Then all of a sudden we play great for 10-15 minutes and bag the game.

I am really worried of the City game up. If we play that poorly again we will be buried.

 

[Manberg]

Name me one socialist regime that was successful in the long run.

A "socialist regime"? You're thinking about states plagued with corruption. The example I'd like to follow are the Nordic countries (e.g. Norway, Iceland, Finland etc.) who are mixed economies with socialist policies such as generous welfare benefits, social and income equality etc. No surprise they tend to top the global happiness index. They believe in equality.
Do you honestly believe in a mega rich 1% and a poor 99%?
I don't believe in the hard work concept that capitalists go about either. Many people inherit their wealth.

 

[GDeep™]

Lost count how many times I've watched Freddie and the players embrace each other at the end. Don't remember ever seeing that with Emery.

They probably didn’t understand him half the time or built a relationship with him due to the communication issues.

Then AM will tell you English is not a must and the manager can use a translator.

 

[Santi's Left Foot]

You can't be serious with these countries. The main reason poverty worldwide is decreasing because countries like China have become more capitalist.

But let's just agree to disagree, it's clear you aren't willing to go about this in a normal way.

I can tell you're completely wrong and ignorant on this matter, clueless.

I not a fan of agreeing to disagree, I like reasoned debate but I don't really have the time to educate a random on an Arsenal football forum but I suggest you seriously do a bit of reading.

 

[Vinci]

I can tell you're completely wrong and ignorant on this matter, clueless.

I not a fan of agreeing to disagree, I like reasoned debate but I don't really have the time to educate a random on an Arsenal football forum but I suggest you seriously do a bit of reading.

Reasoned debate?

You're the one starting with personal insults from the get-go.

 

[Santi's Left Foot]

Reasoned debate?

You're the one starting with personal insults from the get-go.

Where??

 

[UpTheGunnerz]

Silence from @hydrofluoric acid after Pepe’s goal

And no one is shocked

 

[Bergies Flying Circus]

Snodgrass also should have been sent off.
but hey, it's Mike Dean, or as you said, it's english refs, worst in the Europe

1984, if you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face, -forever. Mike Dean it is then.

 

[yybecause]

1984, if you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face, -forever. Mike Dean it is then.

the future is here for some time now, both on the football ground and in everyday life. 1984

 

[pacstud]

A "socialist regime"? You're thinking about states plagued with corruption. The example I'd like to follow are the Nordic countries (e.g. Norway, Iceland, Finland etc.) who are mixed economies with socialist policies such as generous welfare benefits, social and income equality etc. No surprise they tend to top the global happiness index. They believe in equality.
Do you honestly believe in a mega rich 1% and a poor 99%?
I don't believe in the hard work concept that capitalists go about either. Many people inherit their wealth.

Only a few inaccuracies in there.

Most people do not inherit their wealth. (millionaires+)
Income distribution must take into account the SIZE of the pie being split. The US is a great example. While their Gini coefficient is very high, their GDP is also massive, so those "small" incomes percentage wise are considerably sizable slices as it were.

As for "happiness" and "equality", I'll leave that to the artists. Equality of what? Outcome? Check out **** rates and depression for universal income recipients.

Happiness comes from purpose and meaning, not income. Income is an effect, not a cause.

 

[Manberg]

Only a few inaccuracies in there.

Most people do not inherit their wealth. (millionaires+)
Income distribution must take into account the SIZE of the pie being split. The US is a great example. While their Gini coefficient is very high, their GDP is also massive, so those "small" incomes percentage wise are considerably sizable slices as it were.

As for "happiness" and "equality", I'll leave that to the artists. Equality of what? Outcome? Check out **** rates and depression for universal income recipients.

Happiness comes from purpose and meaning, not income. Income is an effect, not a cause.

Opportunity in a capitalist system comes from privilege. Privileged people are the only ones who can afford to take their children to private school and get a quality education. Most Tory politicians went to private school and Oxbridge, case in point.
Opportunities are much more stacked against people with a poor upbringing. It's possible to be successful but it's more a case of going against the system. More than likely, the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor, this is what capitalism wants.
I believe in equal rights, equal opportunity, equal privileges, equal distribution of wealth, equal (universal) access to health care, equality between races/sexes etc, strong unions to represent people, welfare support for those who need it etc.
All things that capitalism does not and will not want.

Unfortunately, people are being brainwashed by right wing media owned by tax avoiding billionaires and millionaires to protect their assets.

The Nordic model is proof that you can try to achieve those things whilst having a booming economy. They are the closest to getting it right.

 

[UpTheGunnerz]

Seize the means of Kroenkes.

 

[yybecause]

mods?