Shkodran Mustafi: 2019/20 Performances

[MikelHadADream]

Cost of squads:

City €1.04 bn
United €751m
Liverpool €639
Chelsea €561m
Arsenal €498m
Tottenham €465m

https://football-observatory.com/IMG/sites/b5wp/2019/wp266/en/

Net spend is meaningless. Imagine 1 club sells a player for £150m and buys 3 players at £50m their net spend is £0. Another club sells nobody and buys two players at £50m. Their net spend is £100m. Both clubs have acquired 2 extra players at £50m, but it looks like the second club has spent more.

A squad often takes years to build, only the overall cost of the squad tells you about the investment the club has made. Arsenal have not spent huge money on players as you can see.

And using Özil, Alexis, Wilshere, Ramsey, and Sagna, whatever we get for them is a lot less of a disgrace than acquiring rank average players like Sokratis, Luiz, Guendouzi, Torreira, Mari, Lichsteiner, Cedric etc . . .that's why we're sliding. Still blaming Wenger after 2 years is a crazy. Feel sorry for Arteta having to work with this shower.

Not sure what you're trying to get at? This is part of being a well run football club. It's on the management to sell well and sign the correct players. Liverpool have done that brilliantly, whereas Arsenal have been terrible.

I disagree with that part, clubs make poor signings, its not acceptable the amount we've made but it happens. Getting no money for 5 top class players is an absolute disgrace. Thats essentially 150m quid the club has just flushed down the toilet. I don't think any other club in the world would have let that happen.

Getting no money for those players has massively crippled us in the transfer market, which is one of the reason why had to take punts on the players you mentioned.

 

[Makingtrax]

Not sure what you're trying to get at? This is part of being a well run football club. It's on the management to sell well and sign the correct players. Liverpool have done that brilliantly, whereas Arsenal have been terrible.

I disagree with that part, clubs make poor signings, its not acceptable the amount we've made but it happens. Getting no money for 5 top class players is an absolute disgrace. Thats essentially 150m quid the club has just flushed down the toilet. I don't think any other club in the world would have let that happen.

Getting no money for those players has massively crippled us in the transfer market, which is one of the reason why had to take punts on the players you mentioned.

Sagna left 6 years and your saying that's partly why we're buying a ruck of bang average players now. Jesus this forum.

 

[MikelHadADream]

Sagna left 6 years and your saying that's partly why we're buying a ruck of bang average players now. Jesus this forum.

It's one example of a common theme of mismanagement that developed at the club over the last decade.

The period between 2014-2018 saw the club lose its best players for nothing, and replace them with expensive flops. We are therefore still paying for these mistakes now, it really isn't rocket science.

 

[Makingtrax]

It's one example of a common theme of mismanagement that developed at the club over the last decade.

The period between 2014-2018 saw the club lose its best players for nothing, and replace them with expensive flops. We are therefore still paying for these mistakes now, it really isn't rocket science.

It's very difficult for a club to stop a player running his contract down, if that's what he wants to do. They paid a lot to persuade Özil to stay and that's done nothing but backfire on them ever since.

And Liverpool aren't perfect, they paid over the odds for Carroll, Benteke, and Balotelli to name but 3 and sold at a loss. They got lucky with Suarez and Coutinho and suddenly they're held up as the pinnicle of good football management. All clubs have some successes and some failures, blaming our recent mediocre buys on 6 year old problems is stretching a point to the limit.

Those that bought into the idea that it was Wenger not Kroenke that was holding us back are going to have to stop their narrative at some point. We're mid table now despite having a decent and passionate manager.

 

[Sammy1887]

Another Özil *****.

 

[MikelHadADream]

It's very difficult for a club to stop a player running his contract down, if that's what he wants to do. They paid a lot to persuade Özil to stay and that's done nothing but backfire on them ever since.

And Liverpool aren't perfect, they paid over the odds for Carroll, Benteke, and Balotelli to name but 3 and sold at a loss. They got lucky with Suarez and Coutinho and suddenly they're held up as the pinnicle of good football management. All clubs have some successes and some failures, blaming our recent mediocre buys on 6 year old problems is stretching a point to the limit.

Those that bought into the idea that it was Wenger not Kroenke that was holding us back are going to have to stop their narrative at some point. We're mid table now despite having a decent and passionate manager.

We rejected a 60million bid from City for Sanchez in the summer of 2017, to swap him in January 2018 for Henrik ****ing Mkhitaryan. It's indisputable that we have been terrible regarding player contracts and sales down the years.

Liverpool have been getting big fee's for squad players for years. They got big money for players like Ibe/Solanke/Sahko/Ings, using it to bring in players like Mane and Salah. That's as close to perfect as you're going to get.

Kroenke's big mistake was letting Gazidis/Wenger run the club for so long. We should have restructured the football side of the executive management and pursued Klopp in 2014. We are now paying for this now.

 

[Makingtrax]

We rejected a 60million bid from City for Sanchez in the summer of 2017, to swap him in January 2018 for Henrik ****ing Mkhitaryan. It's indisputable that we have been terrible regarding player contracts and sales down the years.

Liverpool have been getting big fee's for squad players for years. They got big money for players like Ibe/Solanke/Sahko/Ings, using it to bring in players like Mane and Salah. That's as close to perfect as you're going to get.

Kroenke's big mistake was letting Gazidis/Wenger run the club for so long. We should have restructured the football side of the executive management and pursued Klopp in 2014. We are now paying for this now.

That's not perfect, they gained £47m on Ibe, Solanke, Sakho and Ings sure, but lost exactly £47 on Allen, Skrtel, Sturridge, Can and Moreno.

Where are you going with this? All clubs lose some and gain some in transfers. Liverpool got a windfall with Coutinho that gave Klopp a big leg up. You think they planned that in advance?

And Kroenke inherited a huge prize with Wenger. Years he over achieved for the spend during the stadium build, dragging in CL money. Now he's left, where are we?

 

[Riou]

Now he's left, where are we?

Where are we...still dealing with the issues Wenger help create.

 

[lomekian]

That's not perfect, they gained £47m on Ibe, Solanke, Sakho and Ings sure, but lost exactly £47 on Allen, Skrtel, Sturridge, Can and Moreno.

Where are you going with this? All clubs lose some and gain some in transfers. Liverpool got a windfall with Coutinho that gave Klopp a big leg up. You think they planned that in advance?

And Kroenke inherited a huge prize with Wenger. Years he over achieved for the spend during the stadium build, dragging in CL money. Now he's left, where are we?

What you are missing is that as a result of contract mismanagement by Gazidis and Law or Wenger alternating between absolute loyalty up to the point when he loses it and then there's no way back, Arsenal have let £250m+ talent walk out of the door in the last 6 years for a grand total of £30m and Mikhi.

Combine that with some terrible buys in the same period, and we are where we are.

Emery was crap, and the jury is certainly out on the current leadership group, but the mess we are in is the result of bad decisions 2014-2018 (even though there were some great ones among the dross).

Re Sanchez, it was tricky because City really screwed us. Tapped Sanchez up all summer and then waiting til the day before the deadline to bid under market value for our best player. Knowing we wouldn't have time to replace him. Classic dirty Barca move.

Much more blame can be apportioned re the departures of the British core, Giroud, Szcz etc - all sold at well below value or hung on to until their contracts had expired and we got nothing. Not to mention the Özil white elephant.

Just a total absence of strategic thinking.

If a player won't renew, you only keep them if you believe that their performance will directly lead to a greater financial boon than the lost trasnfer fee. Otherwise you sell.

Its why everyone now accepts that if Auba won't renew, any bid of £40m+ would be silly to turn down, but if the biggest bid is £15m we'd be better keeping him because his goals signficantly increase the chances of EL football, and it allows us to cash in on Laca.

 

[MikelHadADream]

That's not perfect, they gained £47m on Ibe, Solanke, Sakho and Ings sure, but lost exactly £47 on Allen, Skrtel, Sturridge, Can and Moreno.

Where are you going with this? All clubs lose some and gain some in transfers. Liverpool got a windfall with Coutinho that gave Klopp a big leg up. You think they planned that in advance?

And Kroenke inherited a huge prize with Wenger. Years he over achieved for the spend during the stadium build, dragging in CL money. Now he's left, where are we?

Where am I going with this Do you think any club can be successful losing arguably their 5 most talented players (Özil, Sanchez, Ramsey, Cazorla, Wilshere) for nothing? Liverpool got more money for SQUAD PLAYERS than we did for our best players. That is all on the people making the football decisions at Arsenal at the time (Wenger/Gazidis).

I don't understand how you cannot accept that this has massively crippled the club both on the pitch and financially.

 

[BigPoppaPump]

Can’t believe people are still blaming Arsène, you should be begging for him to return.

 

[krengon]

And using Özil, Alexis, Wilshere, Ramsey, and Sagna, whatever we get for them is a lot less of a disgrace than acquiring rank average players like Sokratis, Luiz, Guendouzi, Torreira, Mari, Lichsteiner, Cedric etc . . .that's why we're sliding. Still blaming Wenger after 2 years is a crazy. Feel sorry for Arteta having to work with this shower.

Everyone would agree that we massively underperformed the last year of Wenger's reign, (relegation form 2nd half of that season), good management would have easily had us back in top 4 both last season and this(especially with hindsight and knowing how easy the top 4 races were), hell even with Emery we should have done it, failure to do so is solely on them.

 

[Makingtrax]

Where am I going with this Do you think any club can be successful losing arguably their 5 most talented players (Özil, Sanchez, Ramsey, Cazorla, Wilshere) for nothing? Liverpool got more money for SQUAD PLAYERS than we did for our best players. That is all on the people making the football decisions at Arsenal at the time (Wenger/Gazidis).

I don't understand how you cannot accept that this has massively crippled the club both on the pitch and financially.

That knock in the Norwich game led to a catalogue of problems for Cazorla, including gangrene after surgery. Some players are just sturdy like Xhaka, Mustafi or Sanchez . . hardly ever injured. And some like Wilshere and Diaby have a torrid time. Blaming the subsequent loss in value after injuries on a coach and CEO is lunacy.

This is the trouble with the Wenger narrative, people who bought into it lost all reason.

 

[Makingtrax]

Everyone would agree that we massively underperformed the last year of Wenger's reign, (relegation form 2nd half of that season), good management would have easily had us back in top 4 both last season and this(especially with hindsight and knowing how easy the top 4 races were), hell even with Emery we should have done it, failure to do so is solely on them.

Mustafi, Sokratis, Lichsteiner, a green Guendouzi, Kolasinac, Torreira, and a bunch of raw academy kids learning their trade up against the sort of squads the other top sides have got? The Gods of all football managers wouldn't have got top 4 with that lot.

 

[gunner4lyfe]

That's not perfect, they gained £47m on Ibe, Solanke, Sakho and Ings sure, but lost exactly £47 on Allen, Skrtel, Sturridge, Can and Moreno.

Where are you going with this? All clubs lose some and gain some in transfers. Liverpool got a windfall with Coutinho that gave Klopp a big leg up. You think they planned that in advance?

And Kroenke inherited a huge prize with Wenger. Years he over achieved for the spend during the stadium build, dragging in CL money. Now he's left, where are we?

They might not have planned it but they did manage their money wisely when they had it. Unlike us who spent 30+ mil each for Xhaka (i'll never forget how we could have gotten Kante for less) and fvcking Mustafi. Then there was that summer we only bought Cech.

 

[Get These Hands]

He had been okay recently, but totally lost his head the last 10 minutes vs tiny totts. Looked like a drunkard, he was all over the place.

 

[Trilly]

He is like undisciplined Siberian Husky. Think someone said it before. When that is the case you never trust him around toddlers.

Yesterday we allowed him close to toddler and then look away.

With dogs like this. You take them out for a nice walk and then you put them down with your most expensive riffle.

Why your most expensive one?

As a sign of respect or because cost=quality=more likely to get the job done?

 

[hydrofluoric acid]

Why your most expensive one?

As a sign of respect or because cost=quality=more likely to get the job done?

Winchester model 71.

You really dont want to waist your most expansive riffle on bad dog. So you do it. It should teach you not to buy a bad dog again!

 

[OnlyOne]

Winchester model 71.

You really dont want to waist your most expansive riffle on old dog. So uou do it. It should teach you not to buy a bad dog again!

You don't buy bad dogs, all dogs are good until bad owners can't look after them.

 

[hydrofluoric acid]

You don't buy bad dogs, all dogs are good until bad owners can't look after them.

True. But I was more thinking about Mustafi when I wrote it!