The all things positive thread

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by truth_hurts, Nov 10, 2019.

  1. GeorgiaGunner

    GeorgiaGunner Closet United Fan

    He called you a Sp**s fan.
     
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  2. lomekian

    lomekian Well-Known Member

    Firstly, a youth system can give you squad players and the odd first teamer for peanuts. Strategically its a no brainer.

    Second, most long terms success at super clubs is massively augmented by youth systems or very young signings. Barca, Bayern, Man U, Ajax, Milan etc. The only teams who achieve long term success without it are the ones we cannot compete with financially.

    Thirdly, youth players are always a source of excitement at any club. All fans want to see kids who've grown up with the club come through. They also tend to stay longer, be more loyal and are often better at communicating the clubs values to new players if they are good enough to make it.

    Lastly, every player in the world was a youth player somewhere. I doubt you'd be saying the same if we'd successfully nabbed Pique and Messi alongside Cesc when we wanted to. Or if Ashley Cole had stayed and become legend. Or if we develop a crop like that United lot in the mid 90s.

    At the moment, a youth player is outperforming our record signing and 2/3 of the wide players in the division...
     
  3. lomekian

    lomekian Well-Known Member

    Yes and no. Not all players develop at the same rate. Anyone seeing Iwobi at 17 would have been astonished to be told he'd one day raise £30m. Half of United's class of '92 hadn't done much by the time they were 19/20.

    Given that there is a requirement by the laws of the EPL and European competitions to have a certain number of home grown players (and in Europe 1/2 have to be from your own youth set up), players like Chambers will have their place. Every top squad bar the oil barons has a smattering of homegrown kids who aren't 1st choice, but tick the box and can do a job. Chambers won't ever be first choice in all likelihood, but he is as solid as half the other chumps we have back there, cost us less, has lower wages and counts towards our home-grown quota.

    Were they no quotas, I'd give your view more credence, but we've already seen City & Utd and previously Chelsea spunk fortunes on reserves homegrown players out of desperation. We've lost a lot of British kids in recent years, so we need to keep the ones we have for the moment. If the next wave comes through and makes them redundant, great, but you can't operate in isolation from the rules.
     
  4. Hunta

    Hunta Shivering Right Now Trusted

    Saka and Martinelli are two of the best young players around.

    That’s about it.
     
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  5. Jury

    Jury Mission Accomplished

    Positives? My batty is getting stronger by the day. And what Hunta said^^. Two absolute ballers ready to drag us up a level next season. Saliba as well. He'll prove to be a bit special and force his way in.
     
  6. MikelHadADream

    MikelHadADream Well-Known Member

    That's a fair point. My point was more about this fascination with having loads of home grown youth players in the starting line up just because they're from the academy. In recent times, I can only think of Barcelona that have had 5 plus academy players in their starting line up that have been successful. In the long run, I can see Saka being a first team player from the acadamy, with Willock and Eddie useful squad players.

    The only criteria should be if you're good enough to play for the club. I feel people have given the likes of Holding/Chambers the benefit of the doubt because they came to the club at a young age and are English. They're not good enough and should have been used to raise money for the club. I feel the same about Nelson/Mavropanos.
     
  7. Macho

    Macho Well-Known Member

    Chambers has impressed on loan if I remember correctly and he was looking ok before his latest set back.
    Injury is what done him in really, rather than his ability I think.

    Thank God for Saka and Martinelli though.

    Youth is a bit overrated though for sure, unless we’re strictly talking about resale value.
     

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