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UCL: Arsenal v Anderlecht - 4/11/14, 19:45 - SS5

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HollandGooner

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The players should get the full blame on this one not Wenger to be fair, I found it very frustrating that every time when we collapse like we did last night we never learn of it.
 

bingobob

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Just thinking we could have brought Bellerin in and shifted Chambers into the middle to help shore up the defensive end. Worrying the tactical ineptitude last night it cost us and our lack of long term planning defensively. I've focused on why Monreal over Chambers the question should really be why are we so short that we are relying on who is the better choice at CB a Lb or a teenager with about 20 games under his belt who is naturally a right back.
 

bingobob

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HollandGooner said:
The players should get the full blame on this one not Wenger to be fair, I found it very frustrating that every time when we collapse like we did last night we never learn of it.
How so the team went three nil up and the opposition came back into it. Our subs was to bring on two attack minded players. The players done their job the manager needed to adopt the team to the changing dynamics mainly our back was against the wall and the wind in Anderlechts sails. You send on Theo to counter and a defender to shore things up. Diaby, where is he? We just loaned out Coquelin and we have been short in that area before a ball was kicked this season. Last night's crumbling was embarrassing I've defended Wenger by and large this season but the blood of last night is down to his tactical failures at the end of the game and his failure to plan long term in a key area of the pitch
 

HollandGooner

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bingobob said:
HollandGooner said:
The players should get the full blame on this one not Wenger to be fair, I found it very frustrating that every time when we collapse like we did last night we never learn of it.
How so the team went three nil up and the opposition came back into it. Our subs was to bring on two attack minded players. The players done their job the manager needed to adopt the team to the changing dynamics mainly our back was against the wall and the wind in Anderlechts sails. You send on Theo to counter and a defender to shore things up. Diaby, where is he? We just loaned out Coquelin and we have been short in that area before a ball was kicked this season. Last night's crumbling was embarrassing I've defended Wenger by and large this season but the blood of last night is down to his tactical failures at the end of the game and his failure to plan long term in a key area of the pitch



I think the subs were good (keeping posession but also understand you decision to put Walcott on,)but we were all over the place and with all respect to Anderlecht as a club like Arsenal you are playing at home you need to be professional and we were absolutely looking as a sunday league team.


I agreed with the Wenger tactical issue, but last night was purely down to his players who were letting the manager down again.

And with all respect these players are all internationals.
 

bingobob

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Respectfully disagree so far this season the players have let Wenger down last night they went out done the job and needed the manager to change it up to see it out. He made the wrong choices and he was hindered by his lack of defensive planning. Anyway I still haven't cheered up so I'll probably take on all comments that disagree because I'm furious with our manager and nobody else. I just want to keep ranting about it furious the team stepped up in an attacking sense closing down hassling going three up and then that happens. I'm also furious Alexis has another 90 under his belt given the important games we have coming up.
 

perspolis

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Lots of overreaction to this result. We shouldn't have won 2-1 away, and the 3-3 was justice for me. 4 points from a good Belgian side isn't bad.

If you don't believe it, ask Chelsea fans how they feel about getting 4 points from Maribor.

None of the English clubs are doing well this year. Chelsea are by far the worse because they had the easiest group and they're still not through. But noooooo Mourinho is a genuis and Arsène is dumb.

Let's keep things into perspective. We had a tired squad, 3-0 up it's hard to stay motivated and could happen even to the best teams in the world, were extremely unlucky with the referee. 'nuff said!

On to the next game!
 

redanddread

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HollandGooner said:
I dont want to blame the players but Mertesacker deserved to be dropped.

You could single out a few last night but then we could single out a few in so many games over the last 5-6 years who appeared to be awful on the day. What happened last night wasn't a surprise and that's why we're all so angry. He could have Hercules, the proverbial Bus and whomever else in his defense and he'd still manage to **** it up. Latter day Arsène just doesn't know how to organize his team tactically from a defensive standpoint. Worse is he cannot seem to install the necessary fortitude into the players to manage a game like this. Fair enough, they get to 3-2, see the game out, keep possession, keep it tight at the back and in midfield, work extra hard to close down passing lanes etc. but none of that was on show. I've seen this type of game from us too many times over the last few years it's draining.

He had the gall to say that we "underestimated" Anderlecht last night-as one of the news reps said, to do it once is careless but to do it twice is unthinkable?

How he of all people can blame his players is beyond me. He coaches them, the team is a reflection of the manager's ethos and attitude.

If it's a matter of players not being good enough, go and sign some better player. How many people need to tell him, ex-players, ex-coaches, mangers, pundits, fans-buy the right ****ing players for your defense and set them up properly and train them properly and then you'll have a chance.

Where the F was he last night when the **** was hitting the fan? Was he on the sidelines issuing instructions, rallying the troops, keeping them focused-no, he was sitting on his hands hoping he'd get away with a result.

Conceivably we could have come away with 1 point from 2 games against Anderlecht. That we didn't was probably down to having a superior squad-it certainly wasn't down to any managerial aptitude.
 

Iceman10

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perspolis said:
Lots of overreaction to this result. We shouldn't have won 2-1 away, and the 3-3 was justice for me. 4 points from a good Belgian side isn't bad.

If you don't believe it, ask Chelsea fans how they feel about getting 4 points from Maribor.

None of the English clubs are doing well this year. Chelsea are by far the worse because they had the easiest group and they're still not through. But noooooo Mourinho is a genuis and Arsène is dumb.

Let's keep things into perspective. We had a tired squad, 3-0 up it's hard to stay motivated and could happen even to the best teams in the world, were extremely unlucky with the referee. 'nuff said!

On to the next game!

tbh, there was a lot of anger last night but the board are not going to sack Wenger on the back of a draw, esp. when we were unlikely to top the group anyway. Nonetheless, re. "tired squad", we actually had a break last week with no participation in the Capital One Cup and playing at home against Burnley last weekend should really not be as taxing as many other fixtures in the PL. The "tired" meme also is shaky because squad depth and rotation (lack of) in part contributes to that problem.
 

musicmonkey

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I think shipping a 3 goal lead is embarrassing and we should have had 6 points comfortably from Anderlecht but i agree that in the context of things some are over reacting. At the end of the day it's about getting through the group (something City might no manage at this rate) and a win vs Galatasary will make this came pretty irrelevant.

Some of the Wenger out stuff i've seen on twitter and reddit is pretty embarrassing when you compare us to City and Chelsea in their groups and how i doubt this game will really matter much as i'm confident we'll go through.
 

redanddread

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perspolis said:
Lots of overreaction to this result. We shouldn't have won 2-1 away, and the 3-3 was justice for me. 4 points from a good Belgian side isn't bad.

If you don't believe it, ask Chelsea fans how they feel about getting 4 points from Maribor.

None of the English clubs are doing well this year. Chelsea are by far the worse because they had the easiest group and they're still not through. But noooooo Mourinho is a genuis and Arsène is dumb.

Let's keep things into perspective. We had a tired squad, 3-0 up it's hard to stay motivated and could happen even to the best teams in the world, were extremely unlucky with the referee. 'nuff said!

On to the next game!

Are you ****ing serious mate. If this was the first time we'd capitualted like a wet rag then, I'd say yes, okay-but we've seen this dogshit defending consistently now for 6 years! How many more games are we going to throw away when in a seemingly dominant position.

4-0, 3-0, 2-0, 3-1 - he's done it all in the last 4 years!

A tired squad? So Anderlecht were'nt tired also? they were the ones chasing shadows for 60 minutes. We're to believe that fatigue and complacency were to blame? How many ****ing times are we going to blame fatigue and complacency.

Mourinho called him a specialist in failure then showed exactly why he is-Six of the best on his 1000th. Okay, so he's not exactly a failure but at the top level of the professional game he is being found out more often than not. His philosophy on football, as aesthetically pleasing as it may be as holes the size small planets in it and EVERYONE knows it. Yet, regardless of repeated embarrassments he still won't rectify the problems.

All we can do is go onto the next game but this type of result will crop up again and the same issues will be raised and debated.

For the love of God Arsène show that you're not this arrogant, ignorant football dictator that your detractors think you've become. Show that you actually know how to resolve the issue facing your team and show that after 6 years of repeated failure that you can learn and turn it around-if not give the effing job to someone who can.
 

Lakersgooner24

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musicmonkey said:
I think shipping a 3 goal lead is embarrassing and we should have had 6 points comfortably from Anderlecht but i agree that in the context of things some are over reacting. At the end of the day it's about getting through the group (something City might no manage at this rate) and a win vs Galatasary will make this came pretty irrelevant.

Some of the Wenger out stuff i've seen on twitter and reddit is pretty embarrassing when you compare us to City and Chelsea in their groups and how i doubt this game will really matter much as i'm confident we'll go through.
Get through the group, then what? Get twonked in the Round of 16? Yesterday's match is just another result in our growing list of embarrassing results.

I couldn't care less about how City, Chelsea, or Liverpool perform. We should aim to win the whole thing, not be content with limping through the group stages only to have a brief cameo in the knockouts.
 

Iceman10

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Why didn't Wenger shake their manager's hand?

Just stormed straight down the tunnel, poor from him.

I missed the second half and have only seen the goals instead of the whole thing yet in part because I obviously am not too keen to do so. It is bad though, it's not the first time and I suspect there was some bad blood that contributed from some stuff that was said in between the two ties, esp. with our last minute grab and run at Anderlecht. Not an excuse, don't like seeing it.
 

Rain Dance

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Your point is totally invalid, we are a team that relies on attacking prowess. Why should we be looking to emulate teams who hit opposition at pace on the break when our philosophy is to keep the ball? Which is better served by having two fullbacks motor up and down in tandem with a slight preference for one side. Ala Bayern, Barca, Roma etc. (don't say Lahm isn't attacking either, he is a technically perfect player).

You have picked one aspect of the team and focused in on it, which is a really superficial way of analyzing the whole issue. Look at the performance last night, having Sagna on the field would have changed nothing, absolutely nothing.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA You are a funny guy

Our game WAS at best when we hit opponents on the break, and we HAVE the speedy players to do it!

Or maybe you forgot our roots... that would be sad...

And I can't focus on our defense while you guys can focus on how ONE guy failed to cover.... Wow... that's just ...
 

natural

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I'm glad I was working late and I did not watch this match, I'd have been furious, also I'm glad we're not Fulham or Man shi*y.
 

Mastadon

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I fail to see how giving up a 3-0 lead against a smaller European team can be seen as anything other than a disaster in the context of how this season is unfolding. How is it possible to overreact after that? If we had lost 2-1 fair enough but to drop a 3-0 lead against a team like that....
 

baccy_man

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I thought that when Steve Bould became assistant Coach/Manager our defence started to improve a bit but it all seems to have gone back to the way things were before,
I don't know if this is because Arsène is not taking any notice of what Bould wanted to do with our defence or if Bould has just become another yes man and goes along with what Arsène says.
 

Penn_

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Wouldn't put the blame on the defence for what happened, you can't expect 4/6 players to be the ones doing all of it. Partial blame on Wenger for leaving the defence in this state, although he was unlucky with the Debuchy injury.

Our midfield has no interest in defending anymore, Ramsey seems caught between minds and all Cazorla does is wait around hoping for a counter attack. I seriously need to know how Cazorla escapes all the criticism associated with Özil.
 

Enfield

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I think some of the reason that Wenger brought on two attacking players was because we stand a better chance of getting another goal than doing a shut-out at the other end. Also he brought on two seasoned internationals. Do either of those two have a brain of their own or are they not allowed to use it. What is the point in keeping Rosicky around the place if he can’t influence proceedings in games like this. You have to look at the likes of Rosicky and Merty to shout the orders and keep things sensible for ten minutes.

I also think that it is beyond negligent to think that you don’t need to defend and you don’t need to practice it. If we were being properly prepared and properly coached we would have been happy to sit back at 3-0 and we would have pulled it off. The world knows we are weak in defence and gives teams like Anderlecht great hope to come to our place and have a go. We need to start keeping clean sheets and then see how many teams fancy pouring at us with Theo, Özil and Sanchez up the other end with plenty room
 
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