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UCL: Arsenal v Anderlecht - 4/11/14, 19:45 - SS5

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BobP

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I think the game has progressed to the point where Wenger is becoming increasingly out of his depth at this level. As has already been said on this forum, his attitude is way to laissez-faire. Though it was before my time as a supporter, I can see why we underachieved in Europe under him. As Pelligrini has shown, when you have the top talent available to you, especially in the league, it is much easier to achieve success than it would be competing in a knockout competition against the best opponents from around the continent who themselves have the same level of talent or a level exceeding that of yours but have to edge tactically.

Every one of Anderlechts goals were scored on the back of glaring defensive organizational defeciencies along with a lack of conviction from our players overall when defending.
 

Jury

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Mastadon said:
I fail to see how giving up a 3-0 lead against a smaller European team can be seen as anything other than a disaster in the context of how this season is unfolding. How is it possible to overreact after that? If we had lost 2-1 fair enough but to drop a 3-0 lead against a team like that....

It was the manner of it that makes it inquest worthy.

At 3-1, the side that were at home, had tons more experience and had by far the better players, didn't look like seeing it out. The manager, sat in silence dying a death on the bench, also exuded a total lack of faith in his vastly superior side.

I don't know where else in the world I'd see such a scenario. That situation we saw on Tuesday had been cultivated over the last 7 years.
 

perspolis

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redanddread said:
perspolis said:
Lots of overreaction to this result. We shouldn't have won 2-1 away, and the 3-3 was justice for me. 4 points from a good Belgian side isn't bad.

If you don't believe it, ask Chelsea fans how they feel about getting 4 points from Maribor.

None of the English clubs are doing well this year. Chelsea are by far the worse because they had the easiest group and they're still not through. But noooooo Mourinho is a genuis and Arsène is dumb.

Let's keep things into perspective. We had a tired squad, 3-0 up it's hard to stay motivated and could happen even to the best teams in the world, were extremely unlucky with the referee. 'nuff said!

On to the next game!

Are you ******* serious mate. If this was the first time we'd capitualted like a wet rag then, I'd say yes, okay-but we've seen this dogshit defending consistently now for 6 years! How many more games are we going to throw away when in a seemingly dominant position.

4-0, 3-0, 2-0, 3-1 - he's done it all in the last 4 years!

A tired squad? So Anderlecht were'nt tired also? they were the ones chasing shadows for 60 minutes. We're to believe that fatigue and complacency were to blame? How many ******* times are we going to blame fatigue and complacency.

Mourinho called him a specialist in failure then showed exactly why he is-Six of the best on his 1000th. Okay, so he's not exactly a failure but at the top level of the professional game he is being found out more often than not. His philosophy on football, as aesthetically pleasing as it may be as holes the size small planets in it and EVERYONE knows it. Yet, regardless of repeated embarrassments he still won't rectify the problems.

All we can do is go onto the next game but this type of result will crop up again and the same issues will be raised and debated.

For the love of God Arsène show that you're not this arrogant, ignorant football dictator that your detractors think you've become. Show that you actually know how to resolve the issue facing your team and show that after 6 years of repeated failure that you can learn and turn it around-if not give the effing job to someone who can.


We played the same team as Saturday if I'm not mistaken... Anderlecht had 4.5 changes.

These games are partly about result and partly about building consistency and squad experience. We have quite a lot of young players still and you have to realize that it's not just the number of games they have under their belts, they lack maturity of a ripe 28 year old player. Look at Cesc when he played for us and the Cesc that plays for Chel$ea now.

There is no excuse when you lose. I was just trying to put things into perspective. When you're not meant to win, then you won't wean. Pure and simple.

The positive out of all of these is that we know our squad is just short of one monster of a DM like Matic or Toure. That's relatively easier to fix than other problems. Whether Wenger will find the player he likes is a different story.

Teams win and lose and not always can you point the fingers at a coach only when you drop points. I don't think it's that simple. It's the coach, players, club hierarchy, referee, scheduling... all feed into the end result of a game.
 

MaestroCesc

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Perspolis I don't know what you have been watching this season or the past 8 for that matter. Your posts have been shambles...

The team has changed over the past 8 years yet crap like this still happens which points to only one thing...
 

BobP

Memri Fan
Was anybody else impressed by Tielemans? Because I most certainly was. Unbelievable composure for a 17 year old, which I feel is an indicator as to whether or not this guy will make it. Being able to play in such conditions in the manner that he did, meaning at the home of a renowned European club in the biggest club competition in the world, and to play as he did is not normal. The fact that he was always calling for the pass from his defenders regardless of his circumstances shows his confidence levels which is again a positive indicator that he will have a very successful career.

We had Welbeck, Sanchez and Oxlade, three very quick players, pressing up on Anderlecht as they were looking to play out of their defense and still Tielemans had the courage to call for the ball and bring it out of defense, this shows that he has no problems in taking the weight of responsibilities when others are afraid to do so.
 

redwhiteAustrian

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I've had no time to analyze the opposition, because I was too busy throwing things through the living room after their second goal.
 

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Every manager and every club inevitably encounter moments of woe and joy, but with Arsène Wenger and Arsenal there is an inescapable feeling that the backward steps are now more prominent than the shots in the arm provided by victory.

Was there ever a more Arsenal performance than the one against Anderlecht? They Arsenalled their way into a lead with attacking vigour and class, before Arsenalling up everything with some now customary Arsenal defending. A familiar season in the microcosm of one match.

To add the bitter cherry atop our Arsenal cake, players were forced to play out of position, with Nacho Monreal conceding the penalty from which the Belgians made it 3-2. It isn't that long since Monreal appeared to be a relatively unwanted left-back. That's Wengerball.

Anderlecht's first goal was offside, of course, but the best teams don't let such things faze them. Arsenal again showed a belly as soft as velvet - when the going gets tough, Arsenal lose their sh*t.

It is all becoming so devastatingly predictable. The lack of leadership, the spineless manner in which they collapsed, and the inevitability of their position as runners-up in a Champions League group. Six of the last eight years have provided that same result. Will this be the fifth consecutive season during which the last-16 proves too much?

Of course Wenger will again curse the luck of the draw if his side pull Bayern Munich, Real Madrid or Barcelona out of the hat, because that's just what he does. The worry for supporters is that any of those potential ties will end in embarrassment, such is Arsenal's inability to defend above a level higher than basic.

Even if Arsenal do strengthen in January, Wenger now owes the fans answers on some relevant questions:

- Why was 19-year-old Calum Chambers left as the sixth defender in a club renowned for injuries?

- Why is Mathieu Flamini, at best a short-term option when signed 15 months ago, still the second choice defensive midfielder?

- In fact, why is Mikel Arteta the first choice?

- Why is there an inability to perform consistently in Europe? Finishing second to Dortmund is no disgrace, but in the last seven years Arsenal have finished behind Schalke, Shakhtar, Porto and Sevilla.

Whatever the answers, there is a growing sense of regret from an increasing minority (or is it now majority?) surrounding the three-year contract extension signed by Wenger in May. Same old Arsenal, always Arsenalling.
 

celestis

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Always Arsenaling , long may it continue we are one the most sucessfull clubs in the world , we have our little bad periods but we are on an upward curve.
 

Jury

A-M's drunk uncle
Do you honestly think this club is capable of winning a league or CL under Wenger, Cel, having witnessed all you have over the last 9 years?
 

celestis

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Not talking about Wenger or CL, talking about the ****er ridiculing of one of Englands most sucessful clubs . However we keep building , growing and there is more to come .

To answer the question though , we aren't far off squad wise . Under Wenger ? That's a question he has 3 years max to answer.
 

GDeep™

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Wenger could easily win the league if he pushed it with the cheque book and put aside some of his 'values'. With top players, Wenger would murder the Premier League.

Yes, he isn't a great tactician, but some of that gets covered up when you have elite level and experienced CBs/CMs etc, or a CF who can score every week like Costa.
 

celestis

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He is pushing the Cheque book but prioritising . As IG said we don't have as much as people are claim . Wenger is not stupid or insane . Next year we will have a bit more.
 

Rain Dance

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celestis said:
He is pushing the Cheque book but prioritising . As IG said we don't have as much as people are claim . Wenger is not stupid or insane . Next year we will have a bit more.

I for one, actually find his recent transfers are good buys. Chambers, Sanchez, Özil, Cazorla, Debuchy, Mertesacker, even Giroud and Podolski that people dislike are actually not too bad buy (Flamini is questionable but he is free)

It's his tactical approach I and many others find infuriating
 

Iceman10

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Rain Dance said:
celestis said:
He is pushing the Cheque book but prioritising . As IG said we don't have as much as people are claim . Wenger is not stupid or insane . Next year we will have a bit more.

I for one, actually find his recent transfers are good buys. Chambers, Sanchez, Özil, Cazorla, Debuchy, Mertesacker, even Giroud and Podolski that people dislike are actually not too bad buy (Flamini is questionable but he is free)

It's his tactical approach I and many others find infuriating

There are tactical issues but at the same time we are still lacking 2-3 top class players for the back line + CDM/CM combined. These gaps were there before Debuchy and Kos injuries, so right now we are very thin at the back, cannot be disputed. For all Arteta's issues identified on these threads, some of which I wouldn't disagree with, it was noticeable how everything descended after he went off injured, i.e. take one more piece out and the already weak defensive unit falls apart, although in that respect things could have been better tactically in reaction to that, particularly in adjustment of other players to help out in defending in numbers.

As celestis says and you are alluding to: in terms of assembling a squad individually the players brought in this summer were generally good buys but there are still gaps to fill over the next couple of windows.
 

Rain Dance

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no denying that ice,
to the point I'd rather we have Schneiderlin than Wellbeck even at the cost of playing Akpom up front

I am sure many disagree though
 

celestis

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Yeah no denying there are gaps , a top notch DM and CB would have made life oh so much easier and stress free . There had better be a solution this Jan or summer unless of course we get Reus or Cavani :)
 

Iceman10

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The need to replace Sagna was a step back before we could go forwards and he's hardly a regular at City right now. Thinking things through this is a contributor to why we still have gaps, and to add insult to injury his replacement was injured before the season had really got started.
 

celestis

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Yeah Sagna leaving was . I'll be happy when Debuchy comes back , hopefully soon .
 

Taylor Gang Gunners

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GDeep said:
Wenger could easily win the league if he pushed it with the cheque book and put aside some of his 'values'. With top players, Wenger would murder the Premier League.

Yes, he isn't a great tactician, but some of that gets covered up when you have elite level and experienced CBs/CMs etc, or a CF who can score every week like Costa.

Yeah I reckon you're bang on here Gdeep, I've always said Arsène Wenger is an idealist. Noute wrong with his philosophy, or how he feels the game should be played, but with sub-par players it's difficult to execute his vision.

I agree if we had more Alexis/Özil type calibre players Arsène would piss all over the league with the style of play he wants. We're not far off squad wise but it's difficult to envision Wenger going that extra mile to get in the top players needed, sadly.
 
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