Gabriel Martinelli: Dogged and Determined

[Trilly]

I’ve seen the ‘on another day’ thing get applied to other players who aren’t favourites and get laughed away.

At the end of the day chances created is always going to be 2-3x higher than assists. You only see this stuff said when it’s struggling players who don’t have the end product.

He wasn’t getting the ‘on another day’ treatment last season.

 

[BergMan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1792618028258984189

Mind blowing

 

[Sniper Mik]

I’ve seen the ‘on another day’ thing get applied to other players who aren’t favourites and get laughed away.

At the end of the day chances created is always going to be 2-3x higher than assists. You only see this stuff said when it’s struggling players who don’t have the end product.

He wasn’t getting the ‘on another day’ treatment last season.

You think Martinelli is a favorite? Everyone hates him here.
Ødegaard has 10 assists this season? He could've had atleast 7-8 more if our finishing was better. Nobody says he has poor end product.

 

[Ash10]

You don't rate KDB. I'll leave it at that.

Pepe was never elite but he's twice the footballer Nelli is. Arteta keeps trying to replace Nelli and you guys just don't wanna see that.

Have you even watched your boy play once this season? I mean not rating Martinelli is one thing but saying some dude who plays for some random club in Turkey as no half decent team wanted him even on a free transfer is twice the player compared to him is just a baseless stance

 

[RunTheTrap]

You don't rate KDB. I'll leave it at that.

Pepe was never elite but he's twice the footballer Nelli is. Arteta keeps trying to replace Nelli and you guys just don't wanna see that.

Stop right there, pal. That brudda is playing in Turkey before 30. Bro couldn't even get a move to Galatasaray

Nelli is more talented than Pepe. People overrate Pepe's talent because he's perceived as a maverick or misunderstood. He couldn't consistently trap a ball and struggled in tight spaces. He was capable of moments of brilliance but seldom would it come to fruition. Talent needs consistency not flares.

 

[Maybe]

Nelli is more talented than Pepe.

Lol, Pepe played as a GK till he was something like 15, he later was one of the hottest prospects in Europe scoring some 20+ goals in France, and moved to Arsenal.

Saying someone like that is not talented is just dumb, I'm being honest with you here. Most players start playing at the age of 5-10 and never make it, this guy started when he was 15. If he started a bit earlier he would've probably had some extra understanding he was missing at times, like some trainable patterns that happen over time.

Think you guys can't tell the difference between talent and success, Pepe was insanely talented, but for different reasons, he wasn't as successful as some were hoping for him to be, and only an idiot could say it was all his fault (which I'm not referring to you here, but some on this forum don't get it)

 

[GoonerJeeves]

Not sure where this Pepe talk comes from. Mourinho got that transfer right in his assessment in the studio.

 

[Blankety Blank]

You don't rate KDB. I'll leave it at that.

Pepe was never elite but he's twice the footballer Nelli is. Arteta keeps trying to replace Nelli and you guys just don't wanna see that.

Pepe has some nice skill & end product but ran down far too many blind alleys.
He also wasn't switched on enough defensively.

You are talking about someone we spent £72m on v Martinelli who was a punt at £6m.

Mikel never brought in any of them.

It has been well reported that Arteta spent a lot of time trying to help/coach Pepe (possibly more than any player)as you would with a £70m+ asset but at the end of the day unfortunately it didn't work out.

Martinelli was obviously a better learner & as showed last season has end product.
He has struggled with injuries this campaign

To say Pepe is twice the footballer is kinda disengenuos he's probably just not saucy enough for some so doesn't fit a certain criteria.

Its fine remembering the nice bits from Pepe.
Let's be honest he is the sort of player who looks good on a YouTube comp.
However in the real world for every good touch he made their would be poor ones where the ball often bounced of him he was very inconsistent.

Both Pepe & Nelli are rather head down & don't always see the bigger picture.

Perhaps more chance of that improving with a younger player?

You like Anthony Gordon I would say him & Nelli are rather similar types players.
Both look better imho when they have space to run into.

Gordon probably gets more of that at the Toon so is getting plaudits at the moment.

Both Gordon & Nelli can & hopefully will improve.

Pepe perhaps not?

 

[PrinzPoldi]

On another day he could've had a goal and atleast a couple of assists for Havertz and Smith Rowe. Everton like many teams who come to the Emirates defend with numbers in the box so finding a teammate everytime is always going to be a challenge. He does have his head down moments for sure. But the point is, he looked much more involved on the right than on the left, and that has to be rooted structurally in how we build up.

I always say, if Arteta had so much patience on Kai, he should give Nelli another season to prove it.
Too early to say we are selling.

 

[fute]

I always say, if Arteta had so much patience on Kai, he should give Nelli another season to prove it.
Too early to say we are selling.

Same with Xhaka. Look how they both turned out.

 

[Maybe]

Not sure where this Pepe talk comes from. Mourinho got that transfer right in his assessment in the studio.

Yeah, he was spot on, talented but with question marks to adaptation which in the end was a bigger problem than we thought it would be.

But you know, what Mourinho knows compared to forum experts like @Ash10, one only won stuff in real life while the other is lecturing on a football forum

 

[GoonerJeeves]

Yeah, he was spot on, talented but with question marks to adaptation which in the end was a bigger problem than we thought it would be.

But you know, what Mourinho knows compared to forum experts like @Ash10, one only won stuff in real life while the other is lecturing on a football forum

I think it was very instructive when Mourinho was in Sky Studio. You could see who had a clue, and who were mere opinionators.

 

[Ash10]

Yeah, he was spot on, talented but with question marks to adaptation which in the end was a bigger problem than we thought it would be.

But you know, what Mourinho knows compared to forum experts like @Ash10, one only won stuff in real life while the other is lecturing on a football forum

Mourinho sold Salah, fake brock lesnar, called Wenger a specialist in failure & has been sacked billion times by now. Anyway he was obviously just being polite about a player who now plays for some random club in Turkey.
& here I thought "He is already retired" laughable bs was the worst thing you could use for argument

 

[Maybe]

"He is already retired" laughable bs was the worst thing you could use for argument

I said he retired already while he was still at Arsenal, so it's not like I needed him to go somewhere else to confirm it. It's just that I could see it then and you still can't see it now, which is weird because most of the time you can tell when a player checks out, so not sure why it's a struggle for you

 

[Riou]

He was brilliant last season (as good as Saka for me, but in a different way) and people forget he successfully and deservedly benched a fit and inform ESR in the second half of the 21/22 season too to become our main left winger.

Considering how our midfield and attack went through plenty of changes last season, feels very harsh to even think about selling him as he still had some very good games amid the poor ones...only 23 next season too.

 

[Trilly]

You think Martinelli is a favorite? Everyone hates him here.
Ødegaard has 10 assists this season? He could've had atleast 7-8 more if our finishing was better. Nobody says he has poor end product.

Yeah because he has 10 assists?

 

[Trilly]

Have you even watched your boy play once this season? I mean not rating Martinelli is one thing but saying some dude who plays for some random club in Turkey as no half decent team wanted him even on a free transfer is twice the player compared to him is just a baseless stance

I said twice the footballer not twice the player and that’s in the post you quoted?

@Blankety Blank same distinction btw

 

[Sniper Mik]

Yeah because he has 10 assists?

Which isn't great btw, it's decent. Martinelli has 4. But Ødegaard has created the highest number of chances in Europe and is appreciated for that. Same courtesy should be extended to Gabby, atleast when evaluating this game in isolation.

 

[Trilly]

Which isn't great btw, it's decent. Martinelli has 4. But Ødegaard has created the highest number of chances in Europe and is appreciated for that. Same courtesy should be extended to Gabby, atleast when evaluating this game in isolation.

But Ødegaard has more than double the assists over the course of a season and has multiple top performances, so I can look at his chance creation numbers (which are the highest in Europe) and maybe blame his teammates.

 

[2Smokeyy]

@Trilly that’s why I rate Carragher’s ball knowledge compared to the others he’s surrounded with

Gary Neville and Wrighty talking about cover and beating around the bush whereas he just said it as it is that our left flank is not a title winning one and that we don’t need cover, we need starters.