Life After Emery Begins

[clovis]

We know what we will get from Marcelino. He is not a world class manager and he won’t take Arsenal up a notch.

at best he will be a marginal improvement over Emery, but do you see him taking City and a Liverpool after a few transfer windows? Clearly not.

with Arteta there is the excitement of the unknown. What if he is a world class manager in the making who is waiting for his opportunity?

my worst fear is that City or someone else will take a chance with him and he will prove himself to be an elite manager and then we will regret it because we didn’t have the guts to a take chance with him when we had hit rock bottom.

to a smaller extent we have done it already. In 2016, we wanted him to work with some below average academy players while Pep straight up wanted him to be his #2 without proving himself at academy level..

Some people are completely blocking out the idea that Arteta could be a fantastic manager because he is unproven. That is completely absurd..

what will these guys say if he proves himself to be a fantastic manager at another club??

 

[14Henry]

Nagelsmann has been an Analyst, scout and coach for a decade winning U19 Championships, before getting the ****ing Hoffenheim gig. Arteta is now in his third year as assistant, has never been the head coach of anything or won any trophy. It is not compareable.

Who did he scout? Any remarkable signings that he discovered?

What does he analyse. Surely any coach is an analyst to identify strengths and weaknesses.

Arteta wasnt a winger but was said to be the reason behind Sane and Sterlings exceptional performances 2 seasons ago.

Do you think someone as driven as Pep has a number 2 who is anything short of exceptional at his job?

He may not turn out to be the best manager ever but he has a solid apprenticeship under his belt.

 

[Toby]

Who did he scout? Any remarkable signings that he discovered?

What does he analyse. Surely any coach is an analyst to identify strengths and weaknesses.

Arteta wasnt a winger but was said to be the reason behind Sane and Sterlings exceptional performances 2 seasons ago.

Do you think someone as driven as Pep has a number 2 who is anything short of exceptional at his job?

He may not turn out to be the best manager ever but he has a solid apprenticeship under his belt.

Mate, you act like Nagelsmann came out of nowhere when in fact he did not. That's the point. He's got almost 10 years of coaching experience, has won trophies and was rated as Germany's most talented young coach before he got the Hoffenheim job. It doesn't matter who he scouted or such BS, it's about job experience. Nagelsmann did not just start coaching 5 or so years ago, he's been doing that way longer and before that even worked other jobs in football.

What you say is just stupid and untrue. Arteta doesn't compare, he's been a mere assistant for 2.5 years now. E.g. Marco Rose has also been working as a coach for 10 years or more, winning the UEFA U19 CL with Salzburg's youth. That is all not compareable to being the co to Pep for not even 3 seasons.

 

[clovis]

To add to the above, even if the doubters are right and Arteta is not a manager, it is not like things will get worse. We have hit the rock bottom already..

A club like Arsenal cannot sink any further than a 10-11th finish. We are too big for relegation regardless of the negativity and skepticism surrounding the club at the moment..

If Arteta experiment fails, we can always go back to a more experienced option in a couple of years.. people shouldn’t worry about our fledging status.. football today is all about the money, and even without European football, we generate more than enough revenue to attract the right manager.

Right now Arsenal have two options to go back to being a top 4 club and possibly challenge for the title in a few seasons..

(1) get a proven world class manager. We missed the boat with Mourinho who would have undoubtedly improved us. Since that ship has sailed the remaining options are Poch, Allegri and Simeone.

The problem is that all them have the possibility to go to more attractive clubs who are richer and have a better squad than Arsenal right now..

(2) take a risk with an unknown quantity like Arteta WHO COULD BE a world class manager in the future.

settling for proven non-elite managers like Marcelino or an elite manager who is past his prime like Ancelotti etc will not change the fate of the club...

The time has come for a bold decision. Marcelino isn’t a bold decision and neither was Emery. We should have been bolder after wenger but let’s not repeat the same mistake again..

 

[irishgunnerz]

Arteta has been openly spoken about as a viable replacement for Pep at City where the pressure to succeed given the spend is astronomical - yet many here dismiss him out of hand.

Alot of the same people calling out for Mourinho (the thoughts of throwing in a chaos personified into our current situation doesn't bear thinking about - and that's ignoring his long history of insulting)

Then there's Poch. The self same Poch whose record over the last 50 games is worse than Emery's - and with a better balanced squad. Really seemed like he lost the players - again not a ringing endorsement for taking on our lot.

They lost 13 games in the league last season and needed a catastrophic implosion from us to qualify for the CL - it's hardly a ringing endorsement

As for Allegri, his English by all accounts is poor - something which we know from Ornstein contributed to Emery's downfall. Speaking through a translator or trying to get across complex ideas when far less than fluent is always tough, especially when trying to turn around a scenario where players are disorganised, we have no real identity or style of play and the players need serious coaching - particularly at the back

As for Arteta - he knows English, he knows the club and the league and has spent years under a successful manager who sees him as his replacement and at a club where the pressure to succeed is immense). By all accounts he contributes tactically to the game and to set plays and is highly thought of in the game.

He's no more of a risk than Mourinho (a soul-suckling vampire with a history of leaving devastation behind him), Allegri (who won't be able to communicate effectively) or Poch.

Let's be honest, there are not that many top managers free and we're unlikely to challenge for league any time soon given how far ahead Liverpool are and the resources available to City to fix the mess they have currently. We have a fanabse who turned on Freddie after two (2!) games to the point where a Brighton admitted they knew all they had to do was get their nose in front and our own fans would turn on the team instead of foraring them on. We're also not exactly floating in cash to make obscene offers to propose rive candidates.

Considering everything, Arteta is worth a punt. Just feel for any new manager as if they don't turn around things immediately, our lot will be baying for blood.

 

[GDeep™]

Hopefully the next manager will ask control of transfers, sure Arteta will.

 

[bandaid]

as if they would have come. It was the same ownership, board and fanbase as it is now. People dreaming of klopp and guardiola smh. We couldnt sign Suarez when we knew his release clause, sold RVP, Cesc and Nasri and had Vardy turn us down.

wake up.

Ahh top 4 the virtual trophy. Never built on the invincibles and was kept way too long. Had he been replaced when Klopp or Guardiola were available and both natural successors we would very likely have won the PL during those years.

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[14Henry]

Mate, you act like Nagelsmann came out of nowhere when in fact he did not. That's the point. He's got almost 10 years of coaching experience, has won trophies and was rated as Germany's most talented young coach before he got the Hoffenheim job. It doesn't matter who he scouted or such BS, it's about job experience. Nagelsmann did not just start coaching 5 or so years ago, he's been doing that way longer and before that even worked other jobs in football.

What you say is just stupid and untrue. Arteta doesn't compare, he's been a mere assistant for 2.5 years now. E.g. Marco Rose has also been working as a coach for 10 years or more, winning the UEFA U19 CL with Salzburg's youth. That is all not compareable to being the co to Pep for not even 3 seasons.

It's easy to be involved in coaching for so long when you aren't a player. Arteta couldn't have 10 years managerial experience as he was a player.

Arteta has bypassed having to work his way through youth teams because Pep saw something.

Do you honestly think Pep sees him as a run of the mill coach. Or assistant?

I cant believe people would rather someone who hasnt proven a dime in 20 years against a potential up and coming manager who's had an invaluable apprenticeship under arguably the best manager in the world, who speaks the language, who knows the club and who has the drive to make his first job a success. This job goes wrong hes struggling. Look at Henry.

What do we have to lose. We aren't going to challenge nor get relegated. We are likely to finish around 9th or 10th when something finally gives.

Arteta will be under no pressure to start. Come in get your style and start to find the foundations. Weed out who is not in your 3-4 year plan and who is.

A journey man with no English who isn't worried about his mediocre career wont cut it.

 

[Toby]

It's easy to be involved in coaching for so long when you aren't a player. Arteta couldn't have 10 years managerial experience as he was a player.

Arteta has bypassed having to work his way through youth teams because Pep saw something.

Do you honestly think Pep sees him as a run of the mill coach. Or assistant?

I cant believe people would rather someone who hasnt proven a dime in 20 years against a potential up and coming manager who's had an invaluable apprenticeship under arguably the best manager in the world, who speaks the language, who knows the club and who has the drive to make his first job a success. This job goes wrong hes struggling. Look at Henry.

What do we have to lose. We aren't going to challenge nor get relegated. We are likely to finish around 9th or 10th when something finally gives.

Arteta will be under no pressure to start. Come in get your style and start to find the foundations. Weed out who is not in your 3-4 year plan and who is.

A journey man with no English who isn't worried about his mediocre career wont cut it.

You're spouting absolute nonsense here. "Invaluable apprenticeship", my arse. You act like Arteta is the next managerial Jesus when in fact there's absolutely nothing to really get to such a conclusion. You brush of decades of job experience. Arteta bypassed nothing but actually doing the job you line him up for and that's the crux.

 

[Mark Tobias]

Arteta has been openly spoken about as a viable replacement for Pep at City where the pressure to succeed given the spend is astronomical - yet many here dismiss him out of hand.

Alot of the same people calling out for Mourinho (the thoughts of throwing in a chaos personified into our current situation doesn't bear thinking about - and that's ignoring his long history of insulting)

Then there's Poch. The self same Poch whose record over the last 50 games is worse than Emery's - and with a better balanced squad. Really seemed like he lost the players - again not a ringing endorsement for taking on our lot.

They lost 13 games in the league last season and needed a catastrophic implosion from us to qualify for the CL - it's hardly a ringing endorsement

As for Allegri, his English by all accounts is poor - something which we know from Ornstein contributed to Emery's downfall. Speaking through a translator or trying to get across complex ideas when far less than fluent is always tough, especially when trying to turn around a scenario where players are disorganised, we have no real identity or style of play and the players need serious coaching - particularly at the back

As for Arteta - he knows English, he knows the club and the league and has spent years under a successful manager who sees him as his replacement and at a club where the pressure to succeed is immense). By all accounts he contributes tactically to the game and to set plays and is highly thought of in the game.

He's no more of a risk than Mourinho (a soul-suckling vampire with a history of leaving devastation behind him), Allegri (who won't be able to communicate effectively) or Poch.

Let's be honest, there are not that many top managers free and we're unlikely to challenge for league any time soon given how far ahead Liverpool are and the resources available to City to fix the mess they have currently. We have a fanabse who turned on Freddie after two (2!) games to the point where a Brighton admitted they knew all they had to do was get their nose in front and our own fans would turn on the team instead of foraring them on. We're also not exactly floating in cash to make obscene offers to propose rive candidates.

Considering everything, Arteta is worth a punt. Just feel for any new manager as if they don't turn around things immediately, our lot will be baying for blood.

Your posts are clearly worth the wait

 

[Mohamed7]

Well he must be pretty good if Pep is so determined to keep him..

May be he is good with task manager app and follow ups? No wonder he has tablet?

 

[Furious]

Emery first presser for Everton:

"Good ebening. I'm happy to sign for Eberton".

 

[Mark Tobias]

Arteta will be under no pressure to start. .

Judging by all you staunch advocates he will be under enormous pressure to succeed off the bat..

 

[14Henry]

You're spouting absolute nonsense here. "Invaluable apprenticeship", my arse. You act like Arteta is the next managerial Jesus when in fact there's absolutely nothing to really get to such a conclusion. You brush of decades of job experience. Arteta bypassed nothing but actually doing the job you line him up for and that's the crux.

So you prefer Marcelino over Arteta?

Give me his run down then Alan Sugar.

 

[Mark Tobias]

May be he is good with task manager app and follow ups? No wonder he has tablet?

Just great debate here. Thoroughly thought out points which have added so much value to this discussion WTF are you even on here for?

 

[Toby]

So you prefer Marcelino over Arteta?

Give me his run down then Alan Sugar.

I was never arguing for Marcelino, I was just arguing for people like you to stop comparing Arteta to guys like Nagelsmann based on the wrong notion the latter had just started working as a coach shortly before his Hoffenheim stint and basically came out of nowhere - because it is not true if you tell it like this. Never was arguing for any specific coach here, like I said I just said Arteta and e.g. Nagelsmann or Rose don't compare on any level. That's all, get your facts straight.

 

[gunner4lyfe]

You woukd think this new restructuring of the club would have made it more decisive but here we are still without a manager after what, two weeks? All we have are rumour about 100 different possible candidates.

 

[Highbury_2006]

You have to be really stupid if you believe that Arteta is just a guy that sits next to Pep and nothing else.

 

[clovis]

You're spouting absolute nonsense here. "Invaluable apprenticeship", my arse. You act like Arteta is the next managerial Jesus when in fact there's absolutely nothing to really get to such a conclusion. You brush of decades of job experience. Arteta bypassed nothing but actually doing the job you line him up for and that's the crux.

What if he is, and we miss out on him because we didn’t have the courage to take a punt with him?

 

[Mark Tobias]

What if he is,

Fecking hell mate, get a grip.

You'll be the first in here calling for Arteta's head when he can't turn this sh1t squad around either..