Life After Emery Begins

[Slartibartfast]

Someone like Marcelino is guaranteed to ensure that we are stuck in mediocrity..

You know this how?

Marcelino is not my first choice, but that's utter nonsense.

 

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@Toby Andrl

What do you think about Kovac after his gig at Bayern? Rumors he's interested in the Arsenal job.

 

[Furious]

Marcelino getting all the flack because of Emery,... and he's not even linked to the job by any serious source yet. You got to feel sorry for the guy.

 

[14Henry]

You know this how?

Marcelino is not my first choice, but that's utter nonsense.

Because in his 20 years of management he has been mediocre at best. That's the biggest indication. 20 years 15 in lower leagues and 5 years in la liga. 20 years and never proved brilliance. Why would it change.

 

[SingmeasongSong]

Good'ol AM, the world of extremes and extremes only

Arteta is without a doubt lacking experience as in being a head coach which means he has never experienced what it's like to be at the centre of pressure and potential fan abuse when results don't match expectations.

Yet, it's not like Arteta isn't coaching for years - HE DOES ALL THE TRAINING, he was even praised by numerous City player's for being the reason for reaching another level, he has experienced training in la masia, has been coached by Wenger and alongside Pep - WHICH IS EXPERIENCE. He had the required football intelligence himself as a player, he speaks perfect English, he gets to the younger players because he sits between very different generations himself and is thus most likely to be accepted by a broad audience.

It is annoying that people act like being a player, getting coached and working alongside the best ever coaches on the tactical side but also experiencing how they get the best out of the squad on a social level is not already a part of manager experience. IT IS.

Some people will never ever be better than others, no matter, if they've got huge tactical knowledge, if they don't bring the social skills that fit the present and everything that comes along with it like.

Arteta is no safe bet, but this "experience" as a head coach is overrated as **** - 50% of what you need for that is either given to you or not.
We won't know about Arteta's ability to drive under pressure, but we don't really know for any of the candidates in such a toxic environment.

We'll have to take a punt on anyone right now

Oh, and he's also got amazing hair.

 

[al-Ustaadh]

lol

 

[Mark Tobias]

yeah so? Do you want me to be a fan boy who will defend his favorites no matter what?

If Arteta is not up to the mark I will be the first one to admit that he should be sacked. What is wrong with that?

isn’t it better than defending him forever even when it is clear he is not capable?

At some point you'll have to realise the manager doesn't have th tools to do the job but anyway. Carry on bursting blood vessels.

 

[14Henry]

Good'ol AM, the world of extremes and extremes only

Arteta is without a doubt lacking experience as in being a head coach which means he has never experienced what it's like to be at the centre of pressure and potential fan abuse when results don't match expectations.

Yet, it's not like Arteta isn't coaching for years - HE DOES ALL THE TRAINING, he was even praised by numerous City player's for being the reason for reaching another level, he has experienced training in la masia, has been coached by Wenger and alongside Pep - WHICH IS EXPERIENCE. He had the required football intelligence himself as a player, he speaks perfect English, he gets to the younger players because he sits between very different generations himself and is thus most likely to be accepted by a broad audience.

It is annoying that people act like being a player, getting coached and working alongside the best ever coaches on the tactical side but also experiencing how they get the best out of the squad on a social level is not already a part of manager experience. IT IS.

Some people will never ever be better than others, no matter, if they've got huge tactical knowledge, if they don't bring the social skills that fit the present and everything that comes along with it like.

Arteta is no safe bet, but this "experience" as a head coach is overrated as **** - 50% of what you need for that is either given to you or not.
We won't know about Arteta's ability to drive under pressure, but we don't really know for any of the candidates in such a toxic environment.

We'll have to take a punt one anyone right now

Oh, and he's also got amazing hair.

His wife is also lethal looking

 

[Mark Tobias]

I wouldn't call getting 60-70m each for Maddison, Ndidi etc mugged off.

Plus if they finish in the top 4 Maddison, Ndidi and co are all still quiet young so they may feel another year more developing is better than jumping ship.

Rodgers has probably got a pay rise, has his players singing his song, sitting 2nd in the league playing possibly better football than liverpool.
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Doesn't matter what they get for the players or where they finish. We've seen this before. They will plummet out of the top places because of the lack of depth in their squad.

 

[Mark Tobias]

they'll have big money to rebuild.

You do realise the UCL places are only worth 30Mill or so extra. Where is all this BIG MONEY coming from? They won't suddenly get a 500 mill injection from it.

 

[hydrofluoric acid]

Happy for Emery if he manage to get a job at Everton. In a long term I think Everton is a better fit but honestly when Raul is done with Arsenal we will be even worse.

 

[14Henry]

Doesn't matter what they get for the players or where they finish. We've seen this before. They will plummet out of the top places because of the lack of depth in their squad.

Leciester have won the league, lost top players, rebuilt a team and are challenging for the title again. Whilst losing their owner in horrific circumstances.In that time what have we done?

 

[al-Ustaadh]

Happy for Emery if he manage to get a job at Everton. In a long term I think Everton is a better fit but honestly when Raul is done with Arsenal we will be even worse.

*Eberton

 

[Mark Tobias]

Leciester have won the league, lost top players, rebuilt a team and are challenging for the title again. In that time what have we done?

Yes, they have and they plummeted down the league as well. Not really consistent form from them. They simply do not have the stature as a club to rebuild fast enough for the extra Champions league football they will have. Saying that, another league win or even 2nd place finish will start to get them into a position (In terms of their brand)..

Also, look what it takes for LCFC to even be anywhere there. United, Sp**s and Arsenal are having horrible seasons and 2 of those clubs have sacked their managers... Same thing when they won the league. Everybody around them who usually was the obstacle fell away and they walked it. Not taking anything away from LCFC or from BR. I fancy them both. Just the reality of the situation.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Because in his 20 years of management he has been mediocre at best. That's the biggest indication. 20 years 15 in lower leagues and 5 years in la liga. 20 years and never proved brilliance. Why would it change.

I doubt you've actually watched him manage more than a handful of games. I've watched him a lot. He took over a Valencia club that was a mess, turned them back into a Champions League club, and the club has been a mess since he left. I would say this is accurate:

Six days earlier, Valencia had sacked manager Marcelino García Toral, the man who had led them to the Copa del Rey, their first title in 11 years and had taken them to Stamford Bridge in the first place: after finishing 14th in La Liga twice in a row, going through seven managers in two disastrous years, he had overseen their return to the Champions League, finishing fourth for two consecutive seasons. They hadn't had a manager this good since Rafa Benitez, who was in charge 19 managers ago. But then, four games into the new season, he had been sacked. There was no footballing reason, and no one tried to pretend there was.

https://global.espn.com/football/sp...ng-will-victory-at-chelsea-be-a-turning-point

Again, as much as I like Marcelino as a manager, he's not my first choice for Arsenal. But I certainly would not dismiss him. Some of the things being said about him on here are absolutely idiotic and display an ignorance of the game.

 

[Notorious Big]

lol

From PSG to Everton.:rofl:

 

[Garrincha]

Yet, it's not like Arteta isn't coaching for years - HE DOES ALL THE TRAINING, he was even praised by numerous City player's for being the reason for reaching another level, he has experienced training in la masia, has been coached by Wenger and alongside Pep - WHICH IS EXPERIENCE. He had the required football intelligence himself as a player, he speaks perfect English, he gets to the younger players because he sits between very different generations himself and is thus most likely to be accepted by a broad audience.

From the outside its really hard to know who does what & the level of influence. City have a massive staff & one of the other assistant managers a hell of a CV.

Rodolfo Borrell will also join Pep’s backroom staff and has a reputation of nurturing some of football’s most precocious talents.

It was Borrell who was Lionel Messi’s first coach at Barca and he also helped the development of Cesc Fabregas and Andres Iniesta during his time at the Camp Nou.

He was Technical Director and Head of Coaching for Liverpool FC’s Academy after Rafa Benitez brought him to England in 2009.

While on Merseyside, he helped bring through players like Raheem Sterling, Jon Flanagan and Jordan Ibe, but he left the club in 2014. For the past two seasons he has been the Academy Technical Director, looking after the youth teams from U21s down to U9s.

Borrell will now become part of Guardiola’s backroom team as an Assistant Coach.

 

[Toby]

Like you spouting crap about Nagelsman being a scout but couldn't tell me one player he scouted.

It's not crap, it is obviously superior knowledge if you talk up stuff about people but you obviously don't know ****. It doesn't matter who he specifically scouted, but that he has worked this job in football and thus has a certain amount experience. He's probabaly scouted tens of thousands of players. But again, you completely fail to grasp what I'm actually saying so idgaf anymore.

 

[clovis]

You know this how?

Marcelino is not my first choice, but that's utter nonsense.

I know this by looking at the career he has had so far. Name one manager who took 20 years to prove that he is elite?

 

[Toby]

@Toby Andrl

What do you think about Kovac after his gig at Bayern? Rumors he's interested in the Arsenal job.

Still rate him but guess an absolute top club with the target of playing good possession footie might be a level above him. Though with his Bayern stint it's hard to tell with some players and Rummenigge very obviously working against him and trying everything to get him to fail.

Might write a bit more tomorrow, am off to Cannstatt now and the stadium later.