PL: Arsenal vs Aston Villa | Sunday 8th November| 19:15 GMT| Illegal Streams

[2Smokeyy]

We are not really trying to emulate Dortmund as we have much older squad and buy older players

We’re only doing that because our decision making is absolutely terrible. It’s easily one of the worst in the PL.

Take AMN for example, I think he’s a good player for us but it’s clear that Arteta doesn’t fancy him, if that’s the case then you’ve got to sell him and reinvest that into a striker. It’s like when Leicester offered us 20m for Chambers a few years ago and we rejected that offer.

 

[HairSprayGooners]

We’re only doing that because our decision making is absolutely terrible. It’s easily one of the worst in the PL.

Take AMN for example, I think he’s a good player for us but it’s clear that Arteta doesn’t fancy him, if that’s the case then you’ve got to sell him and reinvest that into a striker. It’s like when Leicester offered us 20m for Chambers a few years ago and we rejected that offer.

The issue was selling our foreign assets. Was near impossible to bring in another face that wasn't homegrown considering all the deadwood we couldn't shift. Luckily by next summer we'll be in incredible shape squad wise.

 

[Rex Stone]

The gap of quality between the Championship and PL is barely that much these day. Signing players from the Championship is exactly what we’ve been neglecting over the past 10 years or so. With Edu and his fetish for these Brazilian bums, I still think we’ll carry on neglecting it whilst he’s here.

Look at how good recent additions like Bowen and Eze have already adapted to the PL it wouldn’t surprise me if it doesn’t take Benrahma that long to start performing too. I remember how delighted I was when we signed Theo Walcott, Ramsey and Ox from there as everyone was raving about how talented they were.

The thing I don’t get though is that apparently the club is trying to emulate the Dortmund model if that’s the case then shouldn’t be taking a gamble on these talents for between 10-30m from the Championship rather than splashing out 72m on someone like Pepe or bringing in bums on long contracts.

Really if you want to attract the likes of Bellingham or Sancho you need to give them game time which we maybe won’t do when they’re 16 and 17.

It’s a gamble to do that but if not it’s a catch 22. We don’t guarantee them game time when they’re a teenager but we can’t afford them in five years when they cost 100M plus.

The likes of Tyrese Campbell, Mbuemo and even Michael Olise though this year would probably start most games for us. If we’re not interested in one let alone all three I’d be annoyed.

Would probably cost 60-70M in total.

 

[2Smokeyy]

I'll constructively post against you this time.

Laca - 53M
Auba - 60M
Partey - 45M
Pepe - 72M
Mustafi - 30M
Xhaka - 37M

We do nothing like what Dortmund do. We spend like a big club, but we make poor decisions.

Pepe was a serious error by the club which will probably hinder us over the next few windows as that payment has been spread over a few years. Same goes for Saliba.

That same season we signed Auba and Lacazette, we got 40m for Ox, sold Walcott to Everton for 20-25m and sold Giroud. We also let Alexis Sanchez go that same season too. We were pretty much balancing the books.

In terms of the self sustaining model, I’m more on about recently as the club have been banging on about all these young talents they’re trying to fast track into the first team plus we had high hopes for the likes Saliba, Martinelli, Tierney, Gabriel etc if one of those become top players and an elite team comes in for them, I’m sure the club would listen.

 

[HairSprayGooners]

Pepe was a serious error by the club which will probably hinder us over the next few windows as that payment has been spread over a few years. Same goes for Saliba.

That same season we signed Auba and Lacazette, we got 40m for Ox, sold Walcott to Everton for 20-25m and sold Giroud. We also let Alexis Sanchez go that same season too. We were pretty much balancing the books.

In terms of the self sustaining model, I’m more on about recently as the club have been banging on about all these young talents they’re trying to fast track into the first team plus we had high hopes for the likes Saliba, Martinelli, Tierney, Gabriel etc if one of those become top players and an elite team comes in for them, I’m sure the club would listen.

But then we've gone and spent £230M in the past two windows without any big sales. Dortmund do not do this.

 

[Rasmi]

We’re only doing that because our decision making is absolutely terrible. It’s easily one of the worst in the PL.

Take AMN for example, I think he’s a good player for us but it’s clear that Arteta doesn’t fancy him, if that’s the case then you’ve got to sell him and reinvest that into a striker. It’s like when Leicester offered us 20m for Chambers a few years ago and we rejected that offer.

We been doing that for years and crying we don’t sell well. I remember us turning down 8 million for bendtner and less than 2 years let him go for free

 

[2Smokeyy]

Really if you want to attract the likes of Bellingham or Sancho you need to give them game time which we maybe won’t do when they’re 16 and 17.

It’s a gamble to do that but if not it’s a catch 22. We don’t guarantee them game time when they’re a teenager but we can’t afford them in five years when they cost 100M plus.

Arsène Wenger would have definitely trusted them at that age. If you have an exceptional talent like Sancho or Bellingham then you have to give them game time. It’s like when AW was bringing Cesc into the team for CL games at such a young age or Wayne Rooney making his debut at 18 scoring a hattrick in the CL for Man Utd.

It might be detrimental in their long term development (short career, burn out etc) especially starting a young age but if they perform to a high standard then there’s always the option of selling on at a late stage of their career when they’re finished to a Man Utd, Chelsea etc.

If we want to contend at the top then as a club we have to start taking more risks.

 

[2Smokeyy]

But then we've gone and spent £230M in the past two windows without any big sales. Dortmund do not do this.

19/20 season - Dortmund.

Mats Hummels €30m
Thorgan Hazard €25m
Julian Brandt €25m
Nico Schulz €25m
Paco Alcacer €21m
Haaland €20m

That’s all in one season.

The main difference between the two clubs is one is spending a lot more smarter by spreading the risk with low fee transfers to suit their system whilst we’ve just be loading up with team with expensive risky players who turn out to be bums.

Luck comes into it too but it’s like we’re betting all our chips on red at the casino.

 

[Rex Stone]

Arsène Wenger would have definitely trusted them at that age. If you have an exceptional talent like Sancho or Bellingham then you have to give them game time. It’s like when AW was bringing Cesc into the team for CL games at such a young age or Wayne Rooney making his debut at 18 scoring a hattrick in the CL for Man Utd.

It might be detrimental in their long term development (short career, burn out etc) especially starting a young age but if they perform to a high standard then there’s always the option of selling on at a late stage of their career when they’re finished to a Man Utd, Chelsea etc.

If we want to contend at the top then as a club we have to start taking more risks.

Yeah we take Olise for example who’s next man up after Bellingham he’d walk into our midfield alongside Partey. The guy is probably PL ready right now at 18.

We need to get better at giving young talent chances. I’d like to see more of Nelson, ESR and Willock in the EL now that we’ve all but qualified and if they do well they should get league appearances.

Would make us more attractive to youngsters if they see they’d get the chances.

 

[greekgooner]

The bad thing today is that we still didnt solve the emi leno debate

 

[EmeryCouldnt]

https://theshortfuse.sbnation.com/2...enders-bundesliga-borussia-dortmund-liverpool

We’re clearly trying to emulate BVB with our self sustaining model, the issue we have is that we’re no longer attractive for exceptional talents like Dortmund are attracting.

The likes of Haaland, Dembele, Sancho, Pulisic etc all knew they are/were using it as a stepping stone but BVB benefited from it significantly. I don’t think we can attract those sort of players, so our best option is look at the Championship for hidden gems.

Why do you think that is though? I mean, I agree that it’s happening. Why do you think they no longer want to come to arsenal? Is it as simple as contending at a champions league level?

 

[EmeryCouldnt]

The bad thing today is that we still didnt solve the emi leno debate

Leno didn’t stand much of a chance. But Martinez won today.

 

[EmeryCouldnt]

19/20 season - Dortmund.

Mats Hummels €30m
Thorgan Hazard €25m
Julian Brandt €25m
Nico Schulz €25m
Paco Alcacer €21m
Haaland €20m

That’s all in one season.

The main difference between the two clubs is one is spending a lot more smarter by spreading the risk with low fee transfers to suit their system whilst we’ve just be loading up with team with expensive risky players who turn out to be bums.

Luck comes into it too but it’s like we’re betting all our chips on red at the casino.

They got Haaland for 20m? Wtf

 

[2Smokeyy]

They got Haaland for 20m? Wtf

I think he had a release clause.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/salzb...ussia-dortmund-euro-20m-deal/view/news/350909

 

[2Smokeyy]

Why do you think that is though? I mean, I agree that it’s happening. Why do you think they no longer want to come to arsenal? Is it as simple as contending at a champions league level?

Champions League does play a part but we’re just not as attractive as we once were especially to the younger players and AW was one of the reasons why the likes of Aaron Ramsey, Walcott etc opted for us over Utd, Chelsea etc. I’m even sure we had a chance with Mbappe but what didn’t help us was how good that Monaco team were and what PSG could offer him financially.

This current generation of young talents probably saw BVB being a conveyer belt for young players to be given an opportunity at a very early stage of their career and then secure a move to the likes of Barcelona, Chelsea, Bayern etc. In order to rectify this we need to start giving and trusting more young players with first team chances similar to what we’re doing with Bukayo Saka.

Willock should have started tonight and Reiss Nelson should be ahead of Willian in terms of options but Arteta doesn’t seem to trust them fully. The likes of ESR and Balogun should be given opportunities in the Europa League group stages too, I’m sure they can perform against Dundalk.

 

[EmeryCouldnt]

Champions League does play a part but we’re just not as attractive as we once were especially to the younger players and AW was one of the reasons why the likes of Aaron Ramsey, Walcott etc opted for us over Utd, Chelsea etc. I’m even sure we had a chance with Mbappe but what didn’t help us was how good that Monaco team were and what PSG could offer him financially.

This current generation of young talents probably saw BVB being a conveyer belt for young players to be given an opportunity at a very early stage of their career and then secure a move to the likes of Barcelona, Chelsea, Bayern etc. In order to rectify this we need to start giving and trusting more young players with first team chances similar to what we’re doing with Bukayo Saka.

Willock should have started tonight and Reiss Nelson should be ahead of Willian in terms of options but Arteta doesn’t seem to trust them fully. The likes of ESR and Balogun should be given opportunities in the Europa League group stages too, I’m sure they can perform against Dundalk.

Yeah, makes sense. This route of a pasture for Chelsea retirees is not a route we want to continue on.

 

[yorch44]

They got Haaland for 20m? Wtf

They get the gems before they explode. We did that before with players like Cesc. Barcelona even they way they are struggling they have some young players with so much talent. They should take the Risk with them. They commit a fail in not selling Messi while he still has a high value.

We are in worst case scenario because we don't have those players. This year we shoulda sell most players you can even cheap. And be ambitious. Get Partey and Szoboslai if Aouar was out of reach.

Get Eduard or Watkins and don't waste Özil. Use him to rotate, as sub. To start games when you need that extra creativity. More business like Gabriel, more opportunities to Martinelli and Saliba who are our gems.

 

[Batman]

Pepe was a serious error by the club which will probably hinder us over the next few windows as that payment has been spread over a few years. Same goes for Saliba.

That same season we signed Auba and Lacazette, we got 40m for Ox, sold Walcott to Everton for 20-25m and sold Giroud. We also let Alexis Sanchez go that same season too. We were pretty much balancing the books.

In terms of the self sustaining model, I’m more on about recently as the club have been banging on about all these young talents they’re trying to fast track into the first team plus we had high hopes for the likes Saliba, Martinelli, Tierney, Gabriel etc if one of those become top players and an elite team comes in for them, I’m sure the club would listen.

I can understand you saying Pepe might be a mistake. Including Saliba who is a kid, wasn't that expensive and has yet to feature at the discretion of a manager whose competency must start to be questioned is absurd. You cannot write a kid you've never seen play for us off, when he's 7-8 years younger than what is typically the beginning of the prime of a player in his position when he was rated by everyone except a manager who is struggling.

 

[bojed]

A loss to an impressive Villa side is nothing to be ashamed about. It's the manner in which that loss came that rankles.

Say what you will about Arsène, but he the last time he lost at Villa Park John Gregory was manager. That was 22 years ago. Arteta managed to lose both home & away to them within a quarter of the same calendar year!!

Soon we'll be saying that for 10 ten other teams as well lol!

 

[L3T5 PL4Y]

Oh damn we lost!