Granit Xhaka: 2019/20 Performances

[Riou]

:rofl::rofl::rofl:
actual tears

"People who who football, love John Obi Mikel"

I need to start paying attention when I am typing on here...when I am only half focused, I always miss out a word or add one in an extra time ffs

 

[Oxeki]

"People who who football, love John Obi Mikel"

I need to start paying attention when I am typing on here...when I am only half focused, I always miss out a word or add one in an extra time ffs

Happens to me a lot.

Most of my posts have one firm of typo or the other

 

[sdotzdot]

Football IQ test :rofl:

Love the condescending manner people turn to when they can’t validate their opinion, reminds me of the Karen videos

 

[Football Manager]

I think Dani could do this, as he is more of a deeper playmaker than a advanced one, but I agree with your main point...with the squad we have now, our best combo is Ceballos and Xhaka and a back 3 behind them.

I know you aren't comparing them, but don't mention Scholes and Alonso when talking about Xhaka...it won't help this thread

How about this?

Who else in our team can dictate the tempo and make a Carrick/Huddlestone-ish pass?

I'm not against selling him, but at least we should have a replacement before doing so, a replacement like Tonali, who can serve the same tactical purpose.

Do you understand why managers (pre-arsenal, arsenal and international) all like to use Xhaka? He has a quality that serves a tactical purpose that only few players can replicate. Tactical details is the most important aspect of the game in a manger’s or in a sophisticated fan’s eyes.

Let me explain more on what is a tactical purpose. It’s like having a team with 11 Mertesacker, and you want to play counter attack football. One day Walcott joins your team. Yes, Walcott always makes mistakes, he is a **** footballer and he always loses possession. But he serves the tactical purpose of counter attack with his pace, and you would be happy to have him in your team.

What is in a manager’s mind?
Opponent set a high defensive line, I need Auba’s pace to exploit the space behind during counter attack. If Auba makes a run to exploit the space, who can make that 40 yards long pass to initiate the attack? Xhaka. Who else can? No one. If you don’t play Xhaka, your tactics is dead. As simple as this. Unless “if” guendouzi is capable of doing the same type of pass, and guendouzi make less mistakes than Xhaka, then I would always prefer to play guendouzi.

No one says Xhaka is the best, but with the midfielders we are having now, he should be the first midfielder named on the starting lineup. If you think tactically, it’s hard not to see that this is the most logical choice. And it’s not just me, every managers he previously played with was thinking the same way, that’s why they picked him to play.

I don’t understand why most of you are so simple minded and just won’t think tactically. Unless if we get someone like Tonali or Cuisance to replace him, he will be played in almost every game. It’s fine to say he is not good enough or needed to be replaced. But at the moment, you can’t deny that he is a very important player to the team.

 

[OnlyOne]

These last few pages gave me heartburn ffs.

 

[Football Manager]

Boy, did I just see Xhaka in the same sentence with Fabregas? Think it's time for me to find some new threads where I can feel miserable

When did I compare Xhaka to fabregas? Did I ever say his passing is better? Or did I ever say his defending is better? Never.

If you play football in a Sunday league team, and I want to know your team better. You would describe to me:

this guy is the fabregas of our team, his strength and primary function is passing and create play. (They are the same type of player and both should primarily be judged on passing)

that guy is the flamini of our team, he does the dirty work and his primary job is to tackle and winning the ball back. (They are the same type of players and both should primarily be judged on defending)

I never compared your mates to fabregas/flamini. I didn’t ever say they are better/worse than fabregas/flamini. I’m just making an example here that they are the same type of players. So they should be judged by the same principles. How stupid can people be to not understand this?

this is the original post, I never said Xhaka is better than fabregas:

Fabregas was never a good defensive minded DM. He focus on the passing and making play in the build up. The defensive work is left to Flamini who is a proper DM.
Xhaka is the same. He is not specialised in defending and he just focus on passing. He needs a DM next to him. Just like Fabregas needs a flamini and Cazorla needs a coquelin.

It’s strange that some Xhaka haters praise Xhaka recently for his defensive play. Do you people constantly ignore his contribution in passing and just praise/criticise him based on defending? He should be mainly being judged on his passing play instead of defending.

I never heard people complaining fabregas (our passing focused midfielder) for not being good in defending. If you criticise flamini for not good at defending, it would be reasonable, because his primary job is to protect the back line.

 

[BigPoppaPump]

Best thread on AM after a loss. I'd keep Xhaka just for that.

Özil, Xhaka and Lacazette for top 3 threads? I can’t think of any that bring as much engagement.

 

[Riou]

How about this?

Big Tom Huddlestone, that's a better comparison for our Granit.

 

[Football Manager]

Big Tom Huddlestone, that's a better comparison for our Granit.

Not comparing them, just giving an example of that type of pass.

 

[Ash10]

Football IQ test :rofl:

Love the condescending manner people turn to when they can’t validate their opinion, reminds me of the Karen videos

By the way they talk you'd think they've got some certificate or university degree on football knowledge:rofl:

 

[Maybe]

Fabregas was never a good defensive minded DM. He focus on the passing and making play in the build up. The defensive work is left to Flamini who is a proper DM.
Xhaka is the same. He is not specialised in defending and he just focus on passing. He needs a DM next to him. Just like Fabregas needs a flamini and Cazorla needs a coquelin.

Doesn't that sound like Fabregas and Cazorla have played with DM's next to them and Xhaka needs the same? At what point did Xhaka come even close to their technical level so we can justify any midfield changes that will work for him? Even if we do buy a proper DMC next to him, his playmaking skills are nowhere near to what we've seen from Fabregas and Cazorla, and I would say he's not even close to what Arteta was.
Xhaka looks better now as a 4th CB when we park the bus than he will ever be as a midfielder

 

[Manberg]

Doesn't that sound like Fabregas and Cazorla have played with DM's next to them and Xhaka needs the same? At what point did Xhaka come even close to their technical level so we can justify any midfield changes that will work for him? Even if we do buy a proper DMC next to him, his playmaking skills are nowhere near to what we've seen from Fabregas and Cazorla, and I would say he's not even close to what Arteta was.
Xhaka looks better now as a 4th CB when we park the bus than he will ever be as a midfielder

Fabregas and Cazorla are advanced playmakers in midfield. Xhaka is a deep lying playmaker who sits deeper in midfield. Learn the difference. He carries out the Arteta role, who had Song or Flamini next to him, and he’s very good at it.

 

[Riou]

This guy just ****ing sucks, if we are honest

 

[Maybe]

Fabregas and Cazorla are advanced playmakers in midfield. Xhaka is a deep lying playmaker who sits deeper in midfield. Learn the difference. He carries out the Arteta role, who had Song or Flamini next to him, and he’s very good at it.

I'm fairly sure Fabregas played the exact same position as Xhaka for the majority of his Arsenal career, only to be pushed in his final years to play a more advanced role and score some goals. Cazorla had the exact opposite journey, ending up playing the same role. Not sure what's there to learn, and the only difference I see is that Xhaka can't do 30% of the job his predecessors were able to do

 

[Maybe]

This guy just ****ing sucks, if we are honest

Yeah, the only contest he would clearly win would be between him and Elneny. I can't even say he would be a better player than Douzi, at least that stupid kid can make some forward passes

 

[Manberg]

I'm fairly sure Fabregas played the exact same position as Xhaka for the majority of his Arsenal career, only to be pushed in his final years to play a more advanced role and score some goals. Cazorla had the exact opposite journey, ending up playing the same role. Not sure what's there to learn, and the only difference I see is that Xhaka can't do 30% of the job his predecessors were able to do

They are not the same roles. There are many roles in central midfield such as advanced playmaker, deep lying playmaker, box to box, ball winning midfielder, mezzala etc.
You can’t place all central midfielders into one type.

 

[Ash10]

They are not the same roles. There are many roles in central midfield such as advanced playmaker, deep lying playmaker, box to box, ball winning midfielder, mezzala etc.
You can’t place all central midfielders into one type.

You forgot about Roaming playmaker & Carrilero. Comparing Football Manager to real life ffs:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
Sums you up as a poster really

 

[Manberg]

You forgot about Roaming playmaker & Carrilero. Comparing Football Manager to real life ffs:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
Sums you up as a poster really

You're right I did. Those roles are realistic.

 

[Manberg]

Enjoy your lecture:


Currently, Xhaka is being used in a double pivot in a midfield 4. He's a regista. Not an advanced playmaker, nor a defensive midfielder.

 

[Ash10]

Enjoy your lecture:


Currently, Xhaka is being used in a similar role to Busquets in a double pivot in a midfield 4. He's a regista. Not a creator, nor a defensive midfielder.

Who are you showing this to? Everyone knows what Xhaka is.
You should watch Pirlo videos to understand what Xhaka couldn't be even in his dreams