Mesut Özil: 2019/20 Performances

[Riou]

The club should sit down with him and work out an exit strategy.

The reasonable thing would be to pay him off, or a loan where we meet the bulk of his wages - we can maybe charge a fee though.

He might want to stay in London for as long as possible though.

He has a kid now though I guess...so I guess where he would like to raise the child might make him open to a move, in regards to thinking of his future post football.

 

[Oxeki]

The truth is no elite club today would touch prime Özil.

There's no place for him in modern football. Football is moving from the archetypal 'No 10.'

They're are a tactical liability. You can't just have a midfielder in the final third waiting for the CM to break the lines and bring the ball to him. Even CF are now far more involved in play like they used to.

There's no more use for 'specialist midfielder' in the modern game. Most midfielders in top teams are 'jack of all trades'

Özil has always had a few strength and plenty weakness. Like I've said before, he hasn't actually declined physically or technically. He's still the same player five years ago. But tactically the game has passed him by and he's lost motivation. He didn't have the ability to redefine himself like KDB (Who played as a winger, AM and a CM).

 

[Football Manager]

I disagree, the city midfielders are part of the build up just as much as Özil is. Watch some City games and you will understand

Their whole team contributed. Comparatively less for their CM because they occupy the half space next to the striker when attacking. While full backs shift inside to occupy the CM space they were originally in. But they still do contribute more than Özil.

Özil will never have the pace, dribbling ability, and finishing to play in their role as second striker in attack. He will never have the defensive ability to be the CM when switching to defence. And of course, his stamina will never allowed him to play in this role.

Özil never played in this role anyway. City CM operates as striker and have less of the ball, it’s reasonable. But Özil was playing at the number 10 position, you expect him to involve a lot in build up play.

 

[Fewtch]

We’ve gone from City midfielders are doing the build up to City midfielders are now strikers not actually CMs . You’re proving my point mate you’re just confused about it. I think we’re done here.

 

[Riou]

The truth is no elite club today would touch prime Özil.

There's no place for him in modern football. Football is moving from the archetypal 'No 10.'

They're are a tactical liability. You can't just have a midfielder in the final third waiting for the CM to break the lines and bring the ball to him. Even CF are now far more involved in play like they used to.

There's no more use for 'specialist midfielder' in the modern game. Most midfielders in top teams are 'jack of all trades'

Özil has always had a few strength and plenty weakness. Like I've said before, he hasn't actually declined physically or technically. He's still the same player five years ago. But tactically the game has passed him by and he's lost motivation. He didn't have the ability to redefine himself like KDB (Who played as a winger, AM and a CM).

I agree with you to an extent, but you could say that about loads of top players from the past, styles change...the main thing is what you do in your time.

Peak Mes, won the league with Madrid and the World Cup with his country, both as a starter...he can look back on his career with pride, well up to 2017 anyway!

 

[Football Manager]

We’ve gone from City midfielders are doing the build up to City midfielders are now strikers not actually CMs . You’re proving my point mate you’re just confused about it. I think we’re done here.

You are confused. Their whole team involved. Some players more, some players less. Still a lot more than Özil. And KDB will fall back to help the play when needed.

Özil is a player who would just play well in the final third. No one says he is not. But he was **** in build up play as always. Ideally you want to have 11 players who is good at contributing to possession.

 

[Oxeki]

I agree with you to an extent, but you could say that about loads of top players from the past, styles change...the main thing is what you do in your time.

Peak Mes, won the league with Madrid and the World Cup with his country, both as a starter...he can look back on his career with pride, well up to 2017 anyway!

Peak Özil won the league with Madrid 8 years ago. That's a long time in football.

Football has already undergone multiple revolution in the past decade. Most of those top players always reinvented themselves.

Look at the example I gave in my above post. KDB played as a winger before being used by Wolfsburg in the 10 role in the final season there. He mostly played as a No 10 for Pelegrini. You think if he was unable to adapt to the CM role Pep won't have binned him?

I never got to watch DB. But I heard he was a striker, but Wenger dropped him deep to a SS/No 10, he flourished there. Cesc was a 10 and reinvented himself as a CM

 

[Oxeki]

We’ve gone from City midfielders are doing the build up to City midfielders are now strikers not actually CMs . You’re proving my point mate you’re just confused about it. I think we’re done here.

City midfielders actually joins the build up play. I watch a lot city games where KDB drops deep to pick up the ball or offer a passing option to one of the CM or CBs. Hell, Silva or foden comes does the same a number of times I've seen them.

Özil doesn't do those things. He just waits for our CM to break the lines and get the ball to him. It means we a numerical disadvantage in our build up phase. It's why we couldn't build through the middle and we routinely moved the ball through the wing under Emery

 

[GDeep™]

All elite clubs are stacked with average players but none will take Özil AT HIS PRIME, ok.

 

[Oxeki]

You are confused. Their whole team involved. Some players more, some players less. Still a lot more than Özil.

Özil is a player who would just play well in the final third. No one says he is not. But he was **** in build up play as always. Ideally you want to have 11 players who is good at contributing to possession.

Exactly, Özil was a specialist in the final ball. In the modern game there's no specialist.

All city's midfielder bar Rodri and Fernandinho were all No 10s initially, but they've adapted their game to suit the need of the team.

 

[Fewtch]

City midfielders actually joins the build up play. I watch a lot city games where KDB drops deep to pick up the ball or offer a passing option to one of the CM or CBs. Hell, Silva or foden comes does the same a number of times I've seen them.

Didn’t I tell you that KDB didn’t do that until recently in the first post? I suspect it’s because they don’t have Fernandinho in midfield anymore and Rodri has been struggling to adapt. Otherwise the two “8s” stay parked between the lines waiting for a pass. It’s not because they can’t drop deep, it’s because they’re not supposed to.

Özil doesn't do those things. He just waits for our CM to break the lines and get the ball to him. It means we a numerical disadvantage in our build up phase. It's why we couldn't build through the middle and we routinely moved the ball through the wing under Emery

Wrong

 

[Football Manager]

Didn’t I tell you that KDB didn’t do that until recently in the first post? I suspect it’s because they don’t have Fernandinho in midfield anymore and Rodri has been struggling to adapt. Otherwise the two “8s” stay parked between the lines waiting for a pass. It’s not because they can’t drop deep, it’s because they’re not supposed to.

Wrong

Wrong

 

[Football Manager]

All elite clubs are stacked with average players but none will take Özil AT HIS PRIME, ok.

Correct

 

[L3T5 PL4Y]

Not just down to style change. Löw opted for that possession game and having Özil and Kroos in the side was the way to go in 2014, especially with Özil's ability to drift into half spaces and between the lines and Germany were giving up a lot of width anyway for a lack of proper quality wingers and fullbacks - with the exception of Philipp Lahm at RB.

Yeah but he was ineffective throughout with little influence while I believe if Reus didn't get injured he'd easily have started in the left wings.

 

[Football Manager]

City midfielders actually joins the build up play. I watch a lot city games where KDB drops deep to pick up the ball or offer a passing option to one of the CM or CBs. Hell, Silva or foden comes does the same a number of times I've seen them.

Özil doesn't do those things. He just waits for our CM to break the lines and get the ball to him. It means we a numerical disadvantage in our build up phase. It's why we couldn't build through the middle and we routinely moved the ball through the wing under Emery

Exactly. And it not just about dropping deep. Even sometimes seeing Özil in deep areas. He would just do simple pass, then disappear. Without making any impact of disrupting the opponent midfield shape, or help controlling our midfield play.

 

[L3T5 PL4Y]

All elite clubs are stacked with average players but none will take Özil AT HIS PRIME, ok.

If they would have they would've come for him when he left Madrid or when his contract was up here. There wasn't one credible link of a move from a super club.

 

[Riou]

We will never know is this answer...there are signs that prime Özil's style wouldn't work in todays football (by the by today's football sucks, too much emphasis on physical and not enough on technical ability).

But to flat out say no a prime Özil would not work, is also a little dodgy...if you got a 20 year old, motivated Mesut, I am sure he could be moulded to today's game in some way (wasn't he supposed to be more rounded at Bremen, before Mourinho turned him a bit into a final ball merchant).

And speaking of Mourinho, a manager that puts extreme emphasis on defensive covering, he had no problem playing Mesut in a title winning team.

Özil hasn't been perfect here, but he has still contributed to our club's history...why are our own fans so eager to knock him.

 

[GeorgiaGunner]

I think Özil will be given a chance at an Arsenal-level-or-greater club on (heavily subsidized) wages, as a last 15 minute parked-bus-destroyer.

 

[Toby]

if Reus didn't get injured

Classic

 

[Football Manager]

We will never know is this answer...there are signs that prime Özil's style wouldn't work in todays football (by the by today's football sucks, too much emphasis on physical and not enough on technical ability).

But to flat out say no a prime Özil would not work, is also a little dodgy...if you got a 20 year old, motivated Mesut, I am sure he could be moulded to today's game in some way (wasn't he supposed to be more rounded at Bremen, before Mourinho turned him a bit into a final ball merchant).

And speaking of Mourinho, a manager that puts extreme emphasis on defensive covering, he had no problem playing Mesut in a title winning team.

Özil hasn't been perfect here, but he has still contributed to our club's history...why are our own fans so eager to knock him.

Prime Özil won’t work in today’s football.

When you say today’s football is more emphasise on athleticism rather than technical ability. I disagree. It’s more like emphasising on both, instead of just being physical, or just being technical.

In fact, you just need to be good enough to do well in all three phases of the game (plus transition), regardless of your athleticism or technical ability (Although being good in all three phases normally require some sort of combination of athleticism and technical ability depending on the position you play in).

Being a limited player who is just good at the defensive phase like coquelin, or just good at the final phase like Özil will never work in today’s football.