Mesut Özil: He came, he saw, he conquered

[RandyMarsh]

It's funny how little stick Sanchez has gotten in comparison, when their first two seasons are looking very similar now.

Both started like fire, both tailed off, both won FA Cup, both started the next season badly after winning major tournaments in the summer, etc.

Hypocrisy at its best, especially when you consider that Özil is twice the player.

Özil's first season wasn't a patch on Alexis', come on now you can't be serious!

 

[Jury]

If truth be told, Ive got some of you running around in circles, trying to rewrite history and erase big chunks of football seasons. Believe me, its me who's having the giggle right now!

 

[blaze_of_glory]

To be fair to Jury, he criticized both Özil and Wenger's management of him. It was all a complete disaster that resulted in us winning two FA cups.

 

[Furious]

Özil's first season wasn't a patch on Alexis', come on now you can't be serious!

Who said so?

Welcome to the thread btw, I hope you still think people are delusional and we should replace Özil with Fakir and Gotze.

 

[Jury]

Özil's first season wasn't a patch on Alexis', come on now you can't be serious!

He's scored 6 and assisted once in 13 appearances this season too, despite travelling around the world and being run into the ground.

Furious probably conveniently erased that along with the other stuff.

 

[Furious]

To be fair to Jury, he criticized both Özil and Wenger's management of him. It was all a complete disaster that resulted in us winning two FA cups.

 

[RandyMarsh]

Who said so?

Welcome to the thread btw, I hope you still think people are delusional and we should replace Özil with Fakir and Gotze.

Yeah.. thanks for welcoming me to a thread i've commented on over 20 times

 

[Jury]

To be fair to Jury, he criticized both Özil and Wenger's management of him. It was all a complete disaster that resulted in us winning two FA cups.

Oh dear, scraping the bottom with that argument aint we?!

 

[Tir Na Nog]

Alexis is injured ffs..... other than that he's been immense for us at least 80% of the time.

 

[CurryFlavoured]

Both started like fire! Hardly comparable.

 

[Jury]

I only started reading this forum regularly quite recently, but as far as I remember, people who said that he was mismanaged, didn't have the right players to play his through-balls to etc, were often accused of making up excuses for him, weren't they? The general idea among the doubters was that people were trying to protect Özil from justified criticism.

There were moments when things were being made far more difficult for Özil to rediscover his best, by being made to play wide. None of us liked the idea, and it was horrible to see. We all wanted him back at No.10. As for not having runners: again, would have aided him to have players running in front of him, but that wasn't solely the problem.

He's since made a mockery of all those claims anyway, because he's since proven that his form and determination to make a difference in the last third were the problem more than anything. People have cited all sorts of explanations, but then say he's the same player!

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[Furious]

Both started like fire! Hardly comparable.

Took Özil 15 minutes to make an impact, so yeah.

 

[blaze_of_glory]

Oh dear, scraping the bottom with that argument aint we?!

You know I wasn't being serious!

I do recall you making the argument that Özil was not right fit in a Wenger team or something like that though. Part of why you wanted him sold I think. I was trying to be fair, you weren't always just picking on Mesut or blaming it all on him.

edit: but you were still wrong, goddammit.

 

[CurryFlavoured]

Took Özil 15 minutes to make an impact, so yeah.

You conveniently left out the part where Sanchez continued to play like fire, was the best player in the league and raked up piles of goals/assists in that first season! Finding it hard to take you seriously here, so I won't

 

[Jury]

And welcome @Sun Ra ! It's not always like this mate. Honestly! This one will rage on I think

 

[blaze_of_glory]

Both Alexis and Özil are the best players other than each other.

 

[Furious]

You conveniently left out the part where Sanchez continued to play like fire, was the best player in the league and raked up piles of goals/assists in that first season! Finding it hard to take you seriously here, so I won't

I also left out the part where Özil was fantastic, assisting, scoring, etc.

I didn't say Özil's season was as good, I said their path was similar.

 

[Jury]

You know I wasn't being serious!

I do recall you making the argument that Özil was not right fit in a Wenger team or something like that though. Part of why you wanted him sold I think. I was trying to be fair, you weren't always just picking on Mesut or blaming it all on him.

edit: but you were still wrong, goddammit.

Stop trying to be fair ffs. Im in kill mode and it's confusing me :confused:

I think Ive always tried to be fair tbh. Arsenal moving forward was always most important, but it's tough when a player youve dreamed about doesnt seem to be working. There was that as well, and you just want to abandon the plan and waste no more time. It wasnt working imo, and I couldnt see it coming good, no matter how good a player I knew he was.

 

[Godwin1]

Özil's fist couple of seasons were pretty underwhelming, think we can all agree to that.

 

[CurryFlavoured]

I also left out the part where Özil was fantastic, assisting, scoring, etc.

I didn't say Özil's season was as good, I said their path was similar.

As far as form goes I don't really see the similarity at all. One thing I'd say is there's no need to **** on Alexis to help big up Özil. They're 2 of the best players in the league, be happy we have them.