The FA Cup was won with Wenger and Emery players. His tactics helped but so did the muscle memory of the players. There's a big question mark over him that's never gone away.
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Mikel Arteta: Aston La Vista To The Title?
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Country: Saudi Arabia
He's been afforded time, control & funds that managers with twice his CV in length could only ever dream of with nothing to show for this generosity but a paltry FA Cup when the entire planet was in lockdown.
He needs to be told, in no uncertain terms, that he best deliver a title or European cup next season else this professional relationship has run its course.
HattoriHanzo
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Country: Croatia
So what?
Does this mean that this doesn't count?
Country: England
Player:Rice
That second half and the Villa one had had very much the feel of our poor run pre new years.
Losing and going out on your sword is one thing, but we barely put up a fight in either of those second halves, you wouldn't think based on our intensity or desire levels that we were a few games away from winning the 2 biggest club titles in the game. It was weak and cowardly.
Sure the players deserve blame for being cowardly but Arteta deserves a big portion of the blame for not going at the opposition hard tactically when we needed to turn the matches around.
If we'd have got beaten 3-0 last night but really gave it a go after they scored I'd have preferred that to the weak way we went out.
I rate Arteta but there is a theme developing with him that at pivotal moments in cup / title races we go into our shells. It has to change next season.
Losing and going out on your sword is one thing, but we barely put up a fight in either of those second halves, you wouldn't think based on our intensity or desire levels that we were a few games away from winning the 2 biggest club titles in the game. It was weak and cowardly.
Sure the players deserve blame for being cowardly but Arteta deserves a big portion of the blame for not going at the opposition hard tactically when we needed to turn the matches around.
If we'd have got beaten 3-0 last night but really gave it a go after they scored I'd have preferred that to the weak way we went out.
I rate Arteta but there is a theme developing with him that at pivotal moments in cup / title races we go into our shells. It has to change next season.
Country: Scotland
Arsenal's period at the top of the Premier League table across the 2022/23 season is the longest a team has ever spent atop the standings without winning the title. That is an unbelievable platform to build upon and the idea the we shouldn't be challenging or going on to win the league is nonsensical. We should have won it last season FFS.
Did I really think we could win it, yes absolutely. If we aren't in it to win it then what are we there for? Sight seeing? This is a fantastic team that were up against the worst Bayern side in over a decade (as evidenced by their own domestic form) and we couldn't overcome them in two legs. Porto then Bayern was an easy route to the semi and we needed penalties to overcome Porto. Once in the semi who knows but even if we went out there that in itself is massive progress. Elimination at this stage is Artetas European status quo.
If people think it's good enough that's on them. After last season I was firmly in the camp that Arteta needed to deliver something. A title, a cup or a deep run in Europe. Something that showed he has made a step up. I don't see it. I see the same short comings. Over reliance on players, a team that burns out and collapses and lacks a ruthlessness needed to get over the line.
Tnegs
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The muscle memory that got Wenger and Emery sacked was put on hold long enough to win something IMO.
Country: England
Player:Saliba
Lol. Stop telling people to answer your stupid questions, I told you what period the table was over, read the post properly.
Country: Saudi Arabia
No it means he shouldn't take all the credit since most of those who did win were either sidelined completely or chased out of the club by him.
"His" team has yet to deliver even that!!
HattoriHanzo
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Country: Croatia
If this is their worst side in a decade (by the way, majority of these players have won UCL 4 years ago and all Bundesliga titles until this season), it doesn't mean that they don't have better players than Arsenal.
How may Arsenal players would you pick in combined 11?
I would pick Ødegaard, Saliba, Magalheas, maybe Rice.
Their Bundesliga form this season is totally irrelevant for UCL.
They have 7 wins, 2 draws (1 with Arsenal) and 1 loss in UCL.
If you think that Bayern is easy route to semi, you live in fantasy world.
To think that any team in UCL QF is easy to beat is arrogant and delusional.
Country: Saudi Arabia
He's the type who needs a large point differential to act as a buffer. He's not the "take the game by the scruff of the neck" type.
He never would've been able to pull off any of Wengers title wins, especially the 1998 double.
We were 12 points off United in 6 place in late December. With Tets, his unwashed cultists would be celebrating that we rallied enough to secure that Cup Winners Cup place.
HattoriHanzo
Active Member
Country: Croatia
I really don't understand what you're saying.
"His" team? Wtf?
Since he arrived in Deecember 2019, Arsenal is his team.
For every defeat both manager and players are to be blamed.
For every win/ title both manager and players take the credit.
It is valid for every team and every trophy. And for FA cup 2020.
LookingForEric
Patronize me again and I'll destroy you 😖
Country: Northern Ireland
It does feel like we’re one title/CL away from dominating for a few years ngl.
Ceballinhos
Cheating on Santi
Whatever it is, something isn't working with Arteta's approach in european games.
I don't accept the lack of experience as an excuse, Arteta's teams have always been poor in Europe in KO games.
Klopp was able to take Liverpool to the EL final and C1 final without having players with experience or world class players at every position.
Dortmund just went to the semis with a lot of unexperienced and bang average players.
I don't accept the lack of experience as an excuse, Arteta's teams have always been poor in Europe in KO games.
Klopp was able to take Liverpool to the EL final and C1 final without having players with experience or world class players at every position.
Dortmund just went to the semis with a lot of unexperienced and bang average players.
TH14shahriar
A gentle soul
Oh come on man, feck this type of PR. Cringe as hell.
Who's this absolute nönce and why are his vibes relevant after the performance last night?
LookingForEric
Patronize me again and I'll destroy you 😖
Country: Northern Ireland
It’s about context. Can’t win everything brother.
Country: England
Country: Saudi Arabia
His players.
None of those who started the FA Cup final back then was a signing of his choosing.
Country: Saudi Arabia
I’d argue we are one manager away
Hopefully, the powers that be come to that realization before our star players start getting their heads turned.
Bad vibes Mac is backI’d argue we are one manager away
