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Discussion in 'Match Day Archive' started by razörist, Aug 17, 2019.

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What is your predicted result?

Poll closed Aug 24, 2019.
  1. Liverpool win

    40.5%
  2. Draw

    29.0%
  3. Arsenal win

    30.5%
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  1. OSBK

    OSBK Well-Known Member

    I did say liverpool were a good side and credit to them for the CL but this god like status they have with the media is well over the top. But this is not new, before the Sp**s game today and since the start if the season the pundits have been on the Sp**s bandwagon. Today will be a blip for Sp**s in the media and they will still be a better side than us. When it comes to us we have gone from being ripped to shreds to this sympathy thing. Media rant over :lol:

    Is there a quality difference, of course but no doubt much worst teams than us will draw or beat liverpool this season.
     
  2. Symbia

    Symbia Active Member

    I actually enjoyed the video.
    His skill on the ball is so underrated.

    Hoping he develop to a monster of a midfielder.
     
  3. Trilly

    Trilly The John Cross of Ilford

    I would at least understand the people moaning about us not going for Liverpool it we had a full strength eleven.

    Trying to say we should have done so with the patchwork back four we have just doesn’t make sense to me. Even if we did have our full strength eleven, Barca and City have lost 4 and 3 nil trying to go at them.
     
  4. Red London

    Red London Well-Known Member

    Some fans really have no clue. We used to come here and look like little boys who had given up before the whistle had been blown.

    We didn't play the most attractive football, but Liverpool are the best team on the planet if last season's CL win means anything. Not to mention the fact they are unbeaten in god's knows how long at Anfield.

    Even given all that, we were actually unlucky to not be ahead at one stage. Pepe's finesse shot from outside the box, his 1on1 and Auba's lob. You can say they came from luck all you want but at the end of the day our pacey front line was to force and profit from errors. On another day we would have scored 1 or 2 of those and it could have been a closer game.

    It's so easy for these idiot pundits and commentators to say "you've got to wonder how the game would have gone if Arsenal had just set up like this from the beginning" (when we had our front 3 on the pitch, and a more attacking set up), but that was after the game was over and Liverpool's foot was off the gas. In my opinion we wouldnt have lasted to the 41st minute if we played 3 in attack.

    So many times we have gone to Anfield and stubbornly tried to play our game; and looked like absolute fools. This time we still got easily beat due to our gap in quality, but its baby steps. If you expected to bridge the gap to Liverpool/City in one window you're utterly deluded.
     
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  5. Red London

    Red London Well-Known Member

    Basically the Champions League winning team vs

    - 21 year old CM playing RB
    - CB with his debut away game for us
    - 33 year old ageing LB who's being shipped off soon
    - 20 year old, 23 year old, 20 year old in midfield (the latter two having less than 10 starts combined in the Premier League)
    -First start for Pepe

    Missing a first choice RB, CB, LB (as well as Torreira not being fully fit)

    Start properly judging us a few games down the season, 6 points out of 9 and we dropped the 3 at Anfield
     
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  6. Kanonier

    Kanonier Well-Known Member

    We were clearly outclassed by Liverpool, but a 3-1 defeat at Anfield without a fully fit squad is encouraging. I think that once we have Tierny, Holding, Torreira and Bellerin fully fit, this team is going to be scary. Pepe showed signs of what is to come and that’s exciting. I think that if we are able to ship out Mustafi and sign Upamecano in January we’ll be back in the CL and will have a team with a solid core.

    One thing that Arsenal needs to do is sell Xhaka. He’s not terrible, but he’s not world class. We need to replace him and we’ll have a decent team to go for the EPL.
     
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  7. WhiteArse

    WhiteArse New Member

    A lot of people are moaning about not playing to full strength. We can't play the full squad. Some of us have not realised that we need our front three to gel.

    Had we played our 9, 14 and 19 in LIVARS match, and ended up with some scoring, the feedback would be tremendous from the fanbase.

    Yet, if they fail to produce any results, we will simply be drenched by those media c***'s in their c**.

    As much as some say LIV have yet to gel and warm up for the season, same goes for our new signings. Give us some time, let us trash the Spuds and get them back on the home game!
     
  8. zilfy

    zilfy Well-Known Member

    That's it- the consequences of losing at Anfield is so incongruent with the doom and gloom on this thread.

    And all the doom mongers writing off our first two performances as irrelevant- and yet Burnley just drew away to wolves and Newcastle just beat Sp**s away- those teams we bet are clearly not just relegation fodder.

    6 from 9 with the hardest fixture of the season out of the way. Everything's okay people
     
  9. The team will be stronger when everyone’s fit but we lack cover at RB, CB and LB. I like AMN but he’s no RB, I like Monreal but he’s past his best, I don’t like Luiz and he’s been culpable for all 4 goals conceded in the 2 games he’s played - I hope he’s dropped when Holding is fit but I wouldn’t bet on it. Yesterday wasn’t our worst performance at Anfield but we looked very vulnerable when playing the hall out and we were far too narrow. I’d like us to play 433 and I think the back 4 and front 3 pick themselves - finding the right balance in the midfield looks to be the biggest challenge. I’d have Torreira, Ceballos and Willock. Feels harsh on Guendouzi but I’m just not sure what his position is...
     
  10. TakeChillPill

    TakeChillPill Well-Known Member

    Looking back on the game, I thought we did surprisingly well. We had the better chances in the first half, could've been 2-0 in 30mins. In that regard, Emery got his tactics spot on. The only clear chance I remember Liverpool having was Mane after the Ceballos's mistake.

    However we know our CBs aren't good enough and it showed.

    -Sokratis was more interested in VVD shirt then to attack the ball.

    - The Pen was an Eboue level of Stupidity from Luiz

    - Luiz having a Mustafi.

    Admittedly Emery could've been more positive, however had those chances gone in, it would've been hailed as a tactical masterclass.

    I've just come off my first ban after being on this forum for over 10 years. No warning, straight red. Some real trigger happy Mike Dean/ Michael Oliver level of moderation. I've seen others consistantly over the years get away with a lot worse, particlarly player abuse. Oh well, mini rant over.

    Really excited about our signings! We look sure on for top 4, as long as we don't shoot ourselves in the foot like against liverpool (just to clarify to certain mods, I'm not in anyway suggesting players shoot themselves with a weapon).
     
  11. say yes

    say yes To VAR

    Question for those who think we should have gone toe-to-toe with Liverpool - how many of our starting XI at Anfield would have got into their starting XI?

    Leno definitely would (if only because Allison is injured). Other than that?

    They’ve got the best CB and best pair of FBs in world football. You could make an argument for Luiz over Matip but that’s about it defensively.

    Not sure any of our midfielders would make it. Fabinho ****s all over Xhaka in DM. Ceballos maybe in six months once he’s adjusted to the prem but he actually looked dizzy out there. Willock/Douzi are talents but no chance you take them over the CL winning combo of Henderson/Wijnaldum.

    Our attack is great but Liverpool have the best front 3 in world football. So not getting a sniff collectively or individually there.

    Not knocking our team. I think it’s the best XI we’ve had in years and I can see us finishing 3rd this season. But I think some people have really slept on how good City/Liverpool have become over the past few seasons. There’s a chasm between us.
     
  12. OnlyOne

    OnlyOne Short man Syndrome

    Some Arsenal fans are just in denial really, it hurts to say but there is no shame in admitting they are a very good, balanced and cohesive team that have been playing in the same system with pretty much the same players for a few years now.

    I'd be embarrassed if we set up like that come the home game when/if we have a fully fit defence and our attack and midfield have gelled.

    I want to see us take it to them when they come to the Emirates.

    But as @Trilly mentioned it was suicide with a patched defence and a new midfield/attack that haven't fully got going yet. It was same again for Liverpool bar Allison.
     
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  13. Furious

    Furious Xhaka Propagandist

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    Shows what the game plan was. We were solid defensively(obvious personal mistakes aside), showed some good press resistance in the middle of the park, and most importantly, a promising counter attacking threat with Auba and Pepe.

    Has me intrigued for upcoming away matches if we uphold similar tactics. Continuity is key.
     
  14. krackpot

    krackpot Well-Known Member

    One of my saddest memories as an Arsenal supporter is the 5-1 hammering in 2014 or sometime when we went in (and played) as probable champions and got thrashed.

    We are doing it in Emery's time with ultra defensive tactics and we still got beat. The difference is that we now (have been led to) accept that we are a top-6 team at best.

    I accept that we would not win against teams like Barcelona/Madrid/Bayern/$ity/Liverpool, but it would please me if we tried to have a go at it.

    tldr: I prefer to play positive football and lose, but I do appreciate Emery's plan.
     
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  15. TakeChillPill

    TakeChillPill Well-Known Member

    Liverpool away is the only time Ive seen Pep be pragmatic with Man City. Even the best footballing teams in the world can't get past their press. Look at Barca last year and Man City the season before in the CL.

    Emery did it right. Induvidual mistakes cost us the game. I do believe however Emery should've brought Laca on earlier. One thing about liverpool is that they will always drop off in the final 30mins of the game when they've pressed so hard. Emery didn't do enough to exploit that.

    I think Emery really struggles with in game tactical changes. He doesn't seem to have that instinct to sense the crucial moments in the game.
     
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  16. say yes

    say yes To VAR

    Yep that game was horrible. Was travelling when it happened and so got all the match notifications when I landed. Honestly thought my phone was broken.

    We also lost 6-3 to City and 6-0 to Chelsea that season. Horrific stuff.
     
  17. Chaoz_Enigma

    Chaoz_Enigma Active Member

    As I posted on the Emery Thread. I though we did well defensively. Yes they do cross alot but it leads to nothing up till that Matip's goal and individual brilliance by Salah. We have to let the team gel first and not let our ego blind ourselves. We are never going to match liverpool with awesome counterpress, we can only match them with low block and good counter attack its just that we are not yet used to make great counter attacks like our invincible era yet. Once our transition is better we are going to be much better.

    I know by the end of the season we will see much more progress than last season and let's face the truth, this season is not our season. We need at least these 2 seasons after wenger, to fully operate under new model and to be competitive again.
     
  18. Makingtrax

    Makingtrax Policing Emery's English Skills

    Not sure how anybody can see it differently. The gap in quality is huge.

    Emery is trying to devise a game plan building from the back. Pundits going on about no shame in hoofing it up front to relieve pressure have no idea. The only way you get good at something is to practise and practise more.

    This team is developing well. We won’t get into our stride though until Tierney and Bellerin are in and firing.

    And we won’t be a title challenging side until we get two decent CBs, a proper DM to replace Xhaka and some of the youngsters like Douzi and Willock get some more experience.
     
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  19. razörist

    razörist Soft With The Ladies, Hard With The Mes

    God that still hurts:(
     
  20. Borussin

    Borussin AM's Resident Dortmund Fan

    It's not absurd really though is it, it's a Liverpool forum. I'm sure if their fans came in here and read comments on this thread they'd find it equally absured that some thought you where the better team, or at least matched them first half.

    But it's what fans do - they see the positives in their own team first and foremost.

    At the end of the day, Arsenal had a decent first half, but so did Liverpool, that chance that Firmino was inches away from in the first few mins goes in, then you are on the back foot from the get-go. Oh and by the way I do agree with them that Van Dijk got the mesasure of Pepe by the 2nd half, he wasn't anywhere near as prominent - it's what exeptional players like Van Dijk do - they adapt, quickly.

    But Liverpool are just a better team, who are exeptionally coached and are well drilled and a super confident squad of players. Going toe to toe with them at Anfield would have been foolish in the extreme that's for sure.
     
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