$tan Kroenke Becomes Soul Owner

[Garrincha]

Chippendale Lindley Keswick posh ****

Hope to see Maitland-Niles on the board by 2050.

 

[SpookyDukey]

Been rocking this since about 2012/2013. If the animal killing Yank takes over it'll be the last shirt I ever buy. He wants to make Arsenal a heartless machine, if this happens it'll be like wiping the hard drive of the best computer known to man, kiss our glorious history goodbye and accept we are merely a commodity to be exploited however he see's fit.

 

[freeglennhelder2]

 

[Garrincha]

Been rocking this since about 2012/2013. If the animal killing Yank takes over it'll be the last shirt I ever buy. He wants to make Arsenal a heartless machine, if this happens it'll be like wiping the hard drive of the best computer known to man, kiss our glorious history goodbye and accept we are merely a commodity to be exploited however he see's fit.

Fair play!

 

[Let's play Aubamawang]

Been rocking this since about 2012/2013. If the animal killing Yank takes over it'll be the last shirt I ever buy. He wants to make Arsenal a heartless machine, if this happens it'll be like wiping the hard drive of the best computer known to man, kiss our glorious history goodbye and accept we are merely a commodity to be exploited however he see's fit.

I agree! If he wants his blood sports on TV he can keep showing it in his own country. Never liked Silent Stan, and I never will.
Is this the end of Arsenal FC as we know it? Almost certainly. All we can hope is that our immoral owner has some honour and integrity and treats the club in the right way.
But as much as I hate Kroenke, this is a product of PHW, Lady Nina and co who sold out to him so quickly without doing their due diligence to begin with....

 

[gunner4lyfe]

The main point AST are trying to put across is that people wont be held accountable during AGM's and such, but what exactly have the AGM's done over the past 5 years to help us? **** all, they will not listen regardless it is simple as that.

This

 

[grange]

How do you know what he'll do? He can do whatever the hell he pleases now. And it's not a false equivalency. Just because he might not saddle us with his debts like the Glazers did, doesn't mean the ownership pattern isn't similar.

American takeover, chief exec probably leaving along with long-serving manager...we're Man Utd-lite.

Or Liverpool-lite? But I guess that doesn't fit in with the doom and gloom agenda.

 

[Sniper Mik]

A different take on the issue

Regarding using Arsenal as leverage for other business interests

 

[freeglennhelder2]

Wind back to August 2014....

"Lady Nina Bracewell-Smith, former director of Arsenal Football Club, the first and only female and probably the first person of non-British origin ever to sit on the Arsenal Board, has upped sticks and gone to live in Monaco. Coincidentally this happened just in time for her to avoid paying £34m tax on the £116m she got from Stan Kroenke for her – well, her husband’s really – approximately 16 per cent stake in Arsenal."



https://angryofislington.com/2014/08/28/lady-nina-bracewell-smith-of-monaco/

 

[grange]

He doesn't need to use Arsenal to hide his debts. A lot of "new members" coming out of the woodwork to troll in here.

 

[Ceballinhos]

Interesting discussion here, ostensibly about Utd but covering the ownership situation at Arsenal and at other top clubs in England.

In trying to determine how much Kroenke will invest once he's sole owner, you have to ask what the incentives would be for him to winning. In order to win, you have to invest a lot of money and it's a big gamble. Are the rewards of winning worth that gamble, or is it safer to invest enough to make top 4 and continue that steady revenue stream?

Everything points to the latter. We are not City or Chelsea where there was an incentive to win at all costs. City and Chelsea's investment was necessary because their owners needed the trophies as PR tools. The Glazers for instance do not need that, and Kroenke does not need that.

Kroenke needs Arsenal as a source of revenue, but that does not require trophies. So at this point it's likely that he'll set the club up to maintain it's revenue, but he won't take the gamble of investing enough to win the big trophies.

Us being taken over by one rich man should not lead any fan to think that we'll do anything to akin to what City or Chelsea have done. We should look towards what the Glazers have done to Utd, because that is the road we are going down. Ask any Utd fan and they'll tell you it's a road they wish they had never been taken down.

I don't agree.
If arsenal becomes relevant again in the premiership and in Europe it values will grow exponentially.

If Man Utd is that powerful today financially speaking and can rival most oil clubs it's because they've been one of the most successful club in England and Europe under Sir Alex .

So yes when you're a big club in a big market, with a huge fanbase winning things is profitable.

 

[dashsnow17]

I don't agree.
If arsenal becomes relevant again in the premiership and in Europe it values will grow exponentially.

If Man Utd is that powerful today financially speaking and can rival most oil clubs it's because they've been one of the most successful club in England and Europe under Sir Alex .

So yes when you're a big club in a big market, with a huge fanbase winning things is profitable.

The last time Utd were a real force was when they had Fergie and players like Ronaldo, Rooney and Ferdinand. They were players bought at the beginning of the millennium before the Glazer takeover. The Glazers have been living off the residual success of that era and for the amount of money they have, they have in fact been under-investing.

It's true that Kroenke may wish to invest something to grow the brand, but it takes an awful lot of money these days to compete with the very richest i.e City. Why would he bother investing that much? Winning things is profitable, but it can also be profitable to get top 4 with a reliable brand value and maybe the odd trophy. It's safer to invest enough to get consistent top 4 than it is to invest enough to win the title every year.

Anyway, I realise that this is essentially just the officialisation of something which was already de facto, it's not a major sea change in real terms. It's a major change in sentimental, symbolic and historic terms and it's the right of fans to be upset about that. In real terms, nothing will change very much. It's more of the same. It's just 'the same' wasn't very good to begin with.

 

[say yes]

Disappointing that it’s not the Flamini / Usmanov / Henry trio taking over as promised.

Starting to think that that Buttpug lad wasn’t ITK after all.

 

[grange]

C. Ronaldo joined United in 2003, Wayne Rooney in 2004, and Ferdinand in 2002 - the Glazers started their United takeover in 2003 and finally concluded in 2005.

The revisionist history and fake news being bandied about is at embarrassing levels right now.

 

[dashsnow17]

C. Ronaldo joined United in 2003, Wayne Rooney in 2004, and Ferdinand in 2002 - the Glazers started their United takeover in 2003 and finally concluded in 2005.

The revisionist history and fake news being bandied about is at embarrassing levels right now.

I must have been under the erroneous impression that 2002, 2003 and 2004 came before 2005. Thank you for correcting that error.

 

[hydrofluoric acid]

This is the summer of worst news never regarding Arsenal. And they just keep coming. Sad.

 

[Axel9090]

Look at how well his other teams are doing... I hope we arent going down the same path.

 

[Slartibartfast]

If he wants his blood sports on TV he can keep showing it in his own country.

Some of y'all make it sound like Stan personally programs the channels on his Outdoor Sportsman Group networks with animal blood and carnage then sits around watching for his own amusement. In fact, OSG (owners of the Outdoor Channel and Sportsman Channel, as well as worldwide MyOutdoorTV) are only a tiny part of Kroenke Sports & Entertainment. Stan probably wouldn't know where to find them on his TV dial, much less be involved in programming. I've been a vegetarian for 45 years and wouldn't kill a fly, but I also grew up in West Virginia where the first day of deer season was a school holiday so I understand the other side. There are people all over the world who love hunting and fishing. Somebody is bound to make a profit from providing them with programming. Stan acted quickly to order the removal of big game programming once it came to his attention, so this continual over-the-top hysteria about his "blood sports" doesn't really advance your arguments against him.

There are a lot of reasons not to care for Stan Kroenke (Walmart being mine -- although I was please they stopped selling assault rifles use in America's real blood sport: mass shootings), but this stuff about a marginal TV network is a tempest in a teapot.

 

[Blixa]

Wind back to August 2014....

"Lady Nina Bracewell-Smith, former director of Arsenal Football Club, the first and only female and probably the first person of non-British origin ever to sit on the Arsenal Board, has upped sticks and gone to live in Monaco. Coincidentally this happened just in time for her to avoid paying £34m tax on the £116m she got from Stan Kroenke for her – well, her husband’s really – approximately 16 per cent stake in Arsenal."



https://angryofislington.com/2014/08/28/lady-nina-bracewell-smith-of-monaco/

Good old Nina Kaka, came to this country from India with nothing and worked the hotels, made a dodgy marriage to a gay man to stay in the country, then one day, still working the hotels, found herself a much richer prize in Charles Bracewell Smith. No one knows quite how she managed such influence over him that he handed over his entire business empire to her.
She knows nothing about football, she couldn’t care less about the club and cares even less for the history involved.
This grasping, money grubbing scumbag sold her shares to Kronke and legged it to live as a tax exile in Monaco to avoid paying fair income tax on her vast grab of wealth from selling out our club.
Now she sits in Monaco with her extremely sour face, moaning about choices British people make even though she’s not British herself and she has quite literally destroyed our club…..if she’d sold to Usmanov instead then Kronke would never had had so much power.

All those years of history down the pan, Kaka by name, Kaka by nature.
She is certainly no “Lady” and despite having more extreme wealth than most people could even contemplate she’s still moaning she didn’t get enough money and is now furiously back pedalling claiming she didn’t realise what she was doing in destroying the club.

Those Arsenal shares were in Charles Bracewell Smith’s family for generations…..
How I wish he’d married someone with some class and some respect for this club and its history.
How different things could have been.

And now this preposterous bint is whining on Twitter about what a sad day for the club it is.

 

[NieThePiet]

I don't understand why Usmanow has such a good standing here? Because he isn't Kroenke?
He has shares in another PL club - that's how much he care about Arsenal.
At least Kroenke only owns one Europe Footballteam.

Sadly times has changed. Arabs, Russians, Americans.. of course it is not good for the values of the club.
but the end of Arsenal? Never.

Has Manchester United ended since the takeover from the Glazers-family? (Unfortunately not ).
United fans surely would like to turn back time, but it's not possible and it is all about the money nowadays.

I'm not a fan that Arsenal will be a private property, however the discussion between Kroenke and Usmanow will end at least.