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Joe Willock: 2019/2020 Performances

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by Vinci, Aug 9, 2019.

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  1. AbouCuéllar

    AbouCuéllar Well-Known Member

    He's just not that special of a talent. Loan or sell but or keep using as a sub player but he doesn't have the quality necessary.
     
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  2. Hunta

    Hunta Shivering Right Now Trusted

    He can’t go out though, otherwise we’ll have no midfielders. Question marks over Torreira and AMN, Guendouzi will leave and Ceballos is a Madrid player.
     
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  3. Makingtrax

    Makingtrax Arséne Wenger once said "I will miss you"

    We're a loan club now ourselves. Replace Willock and Ceballos with 2 more loanees from one of the big clubs like City, Barca, Bayern etc who want to give a player a run out at one of the lesser teams. SMH.
     
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  4. yorch44

    yorch44 Well-Known Member

    But Douzy has the same problem in that case, he is so static and doesn't move to free spaces when we are building from the back. And he often pass sideways. I don't really like him as a DM-CM. Only player who is helping the build from the back is Ceballos going deep to help CBs. And yes, you don't see Douzy or Willock doing this well. Sell Douzy and loan Willock.
     
  5. MutableEarth

    MutableEarth Bloody awesome NSFW avatars Trusted

    People are going overboard again. Just needs a loan IMO, there's still a lot of upside there but he needs to be used differently than the way he's being used.
     
  6. Impact

    Impact Well-Known Member

    A season or two of regular Premier League football and Willock becomes a great box-to-box option for us.

    He's still getting used to his frame but he has such a high physical ceiling. Athletic, mobile, strong. Has the physical capacity to make a high number of high intensity runs during a game. An eye for a goal. Spatially aware. Presses incessantly. Can tackle, intercept, uses his body well in duels. Can carry the ball long distances and while also being an underrated dribbler in tighter spaces. His overall technical level is good too. Maybe he lacks a bit of vision and quickness of execution but if you put him at 8 in a 4-3-3 and you have another interior with that pure creative flair, you'll see a different player.

    Arsène Wenger's words ring true: you get a player when he is 23.

    The likes of Messi, Fabregas, Rooney etc are outliers. The usual pattern is what Wenger outlined. We need to be patient.
     
  7. TromsoGooner

    TromsoGooner Well-Known Member

    Still have faith in him but needs a loan. will have plenty of suitors.
     
  8. Rex Banter

    Rex Banter Got Swerved By Gallas Trusted

    Send him and Nelson to Norwich and Brentford on loan when we get Buendia and Benrahma/Watkins in.

    First team football almost certainly guaranteed for two very attacking teams. Sorted.
     
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  9. yorch44

    yorch44 Well-Known Member

    Yes I see him as box to box s well... Never as Cam, I am very furious about Emery and now Arteta playing him there. Is like Pogba, he doesn't play well as cam.

    I would give him loan time. He needs that.
     
  10. nick gould

    nick gould Well-Known Member

    Your assessment about our academy players is usually sport on. I agree with you on the position issue. In the right system with the right players around him, I reckon he can consistently make double figures in terms of goals. He is not a 10 at all. 10s have a knack of finding space between the lines. Iwobi is not a good 10 but he excels at that.

    Anyway, this article from the Metro. Looks like there was a general consensus that Joe Willock and Eddie are not that gifted naturally. It's mainly hard work and determination with them. From what I have seen, I totally agree with the former coach about those two.

    https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/18/arse...bility-freddie-ljungberg-intervened-13006738/
     
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  11. Trilly

    Trilly The John Sauce Of Ilford

    I’m not confident any PL club would offer him regular football on a loan deal. That’s the problem.

    If we give him that game time it comes at a cost. I think a championship loan would be more realistic.
     
  12. Macho

    Macho Well-Known Member

    He was looking immense in preseason and I think hes alright I like him. I hate when were behind and I see him warming up on the touchline but he definitely has room to grow and I think he is worth the patience.

    Keeping him here is cool, I reckon he will get minutes. Championship loan would probably be better for him though.
     
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  13. Impact

    Impact Well-Known Member

    We have had three managers this year: Emery, Ljungberg and Arteta. All of them rate Willock.

    Goes under the radar because he makes a lot of sub appearances but he has featured in 44 or so games this season. That's the most of any Arsenal player.
     
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  14. yybecause

    yybecause Formerly known as ArsenaLover

    I still think he's a cm not an am.
     
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  15. Red London

    Red London Well-Known Member

    I haven't liked the way Arteta has played him. I guess its because we haven't played a 3 man midfield but I am quite concerned about where he is being played.

    He has played at AM and RM for us, he isnt comfortable in those areas, he likes to drive with the ball from deep. I think people have forgotten how he played in the first couple games this season (Newcastle and Burnley), he was used as a CM in more of a 433 in those games.
     
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  16. Big Poppa

    Big Poppa Well-Known Member Trusted

    Agreed. Not just drive from deep but can receive the ball under pressure and has an excellent passing range. AMN too. But these days a lot of coaches only seem to use such players for their athleticism in wide areas or ahead of the ball, which is a shame. It’s like we’re trying to turn him into Dele Alli and he’s not that kind of player.
     
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  18. DanDare

    DanDare Emoji Merchant

    Amy Lawrence said something on the TIFO podcast. Think Saka developed early physically and so just used it to excel even though he has footballing ability as well
     
  19. Marjorie

    Marjorie Thread Monopolizer

    My end of season rating = 5 / 10
     
  20. kash2

    kash2 Obsessed With Jury

    Did what it said on the tin. Filled the squad place. Helped out where needed. One more year to go before he explodes.

    6.5/10
     
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