Jury
A-M's drunk uncle
Myth. Proven myth. Giroud wasn't missing chances created by Özil every week. And Theo hardly played....
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Mesut Özil: Time to Move Ön?
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If there's one criticism I have of Özil, it's that I wish he was a bit more selfish. His self-effacing way of playing can be ineffective in a team where there isn't a strong structure in place. Sometimes have a shot, with conviction. He does this with his dribbling every now and then but that's it.
I think it is this that nets him the disproportionate amount of criticism he gets as a player. Becuase we grew up on goalscoring midfielders particularly in the English game, we look at attacking midfielders who don't score and dominate games while on the ball, a player like Özil seems a tame comparison (most of Özil's work is off the ball to a degree). I get that element, that's a relatively normal reaction. Özil is probably valued more in other countries than he ever has been in the PL while at Arsenal, despite last season having quite possibly his most productive season ever in terms of being a playmaker.
It has never really disturbed me, more amused me really because I rate him incredibly highly and while there are times he has disappointed me in an Arsenal shirt, last season I had very, very few complaints.
I think it is this that nets him the disproportionate amount of criticism he gets as a player. Becuase we grew up on goalscoring midfielders particularly in the English game, we look at attacking midfielders who don't score and dominate games while on the ball, a player like Özil seems a tame comparison (most of Özil's work is off the ball to a degree). I get that element, that's a relatively normal reaction. Özil is probably valued more in other countries than he ever has been in the PL while at Arsenal, despite last season having quite possibly his most productive season ever in terms of being a playmaker.
It has never really disturbed me, more amused me really because I rate him incredibly highly and while there are times he has disappointed me in an Arsenal shirt, last season I had very, very few complaints.
Batman
Head of the Wayne foundation for benching Nketiah
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So you're saying Henry didn't have better players around him that Özil does? Ok then.
Batman
Head of the Wayne foundation for benching Nketiah
Country: USA
Player:Saliba
Agreed. I think it's more of an American expression but Vieira set the tone for us. He was the fulcrum.
Batman
Head of the Wayne foundation for benching Nketiah
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Can't mate I'm sorry. I love the King but R9 is my favorite athlete ever. I even had the stupid haircut. He was the Batman of footballers.You take that back!!
redanddread
The stone that the builders refuse
Whothefuckis R9?
Cousin621
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Original, Brazilian Ronaldo.
Jury
A-M's drunk uncle
Henry had Bergkamp behind him, so of course he did. Problem is more Giroud and co not having Bergkamp behind them
Tourbillion
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Not enough people remember or rate this legend as he should be remembered and rated: the absolute greatest forward of all time.
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Henry had Bergkamp behind him, so of course he did. Problem is more Giroud and co not having Bergkamp behind them
I'm not sure that even Bergkamp could make Giroud a good striker.
Jury
A-M's drunk uncle
Bergkamp was a creator of chances that even Per wouldn't miss, so I don't know. Bergkamp didn't just spam the the last 3rd of the pitch with passes.
Cousin621
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Love your work but you're really pushing it to describe mesut's game like that...actually an insult to his level of quality imo.
you're talking about Özil, or Kevin de Bruyne/Alexis?
Özil doesnt waste passes, which is really a criticism, as he doesnt try more hit-and-hope passes. I'd love to see him just dink balls into the final third and hope Ramsey gets his bum on one of them.
4R5Emaniac
Always fresh from Bangladesh
What Özil needs to stop being so passive when being one of the bigger players he needs to show some edge.
I think he will.
Johnny_Blaze
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This page is probably the worst on any football forum right now.
Bunch of sad acts trying to belittle an exquisite and supremely good footballer with guff like "well well dis players assists count more because it was a real assist, even though I'm remembering it through rose-tinted glasses cos it was a long time ago".
Bunch of sad acts trying to belittle an exquisite and supremely good footballer with guff like "well well dis players assists count more because it was a real assist, even though I'm remembering it through rose-tinted glasses cos it was a long time ago".
Jury
A-M's drunk uncle
I don't see any of that. That's hyberbole. All I see is a civil discussion, before some bloke gets all bent out of shape and decides to insult people.
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Jury
A-M's drunk uncle
I use the word 'spam' not in bad way. He makes an incredible amount of of passes in the last third; they're not useless passes--it's just that lots of them depend on someone else having the same quality as Özil himself, for the picture in his mind to be completed.
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One could also argue that Bergkamp and Özil played in different systems. Bergkamp played in system that was much quicker in tranformation and more direct attacks while Özil is playing in boring possession based system.
Proof
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I rate Özil as the best attacking midfielder in the world but he's not even close to Dennis Bergkamp's creative abilities and link-up play. I we had him in our team, Giroud would average 35 goals per season.
juice man
Can't make his mind up
I don't know, Bergkamp had much better players surrounding him. Not trying to say Özil is superior/inferior, but its just a really tough comparison to make given the relative levels of their teammates. I think you could probably argue it either way.
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