FinnGooner
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That's great. You what I'd love? I'd love Arsenal to win the title, in fact all possible titles, this season and every year after that until the day I die and beyond, no matter who is managing. That'd be just awesome.
You're looking short term and very simplistically. Nobody's saying Wenger is perfect, he makes mistakes like all the other managers. Football is a complex game and I actually don't believe there's much between all the top managers. But this 'one manager's got another's number' is child's stuff.Koeman has never had more money in his disposal than Wenger, yet his record shows he can set his sides against Arsène very well (Koeman's record over five different team is DDWDWLWLWWDW,). Is it really so difficult to face facts? I guess post-truth is indeed a very good name for the times we live in.
Everton were the better side despite a few calls going against us. It shouldn't come as a surprise to Wenger that away from home you don't always get the calls you deserve. It also shouldn't come as a surprise that Koeman sets his side to play very physical game against us. Every single neutral fan that saw the game said Everton fully deserved the victory and I agree. And that is not saying that I wanted Everton to win or that I'm in any way pleased that they did.
And just to be clear, I'm not saying Koeman is better manager than Wenger and I'm certainly not saying that Koeman would be better manager for Arsenal than Wenger is but he obviously does know how to set his teams against us and his record against Wenger's Arsenal proves it. If Wenger wants to win another title, he has to get rid of these bogeymen managers. Simple as. It's not about me wanting Wegner out or anything. If Wenger doesn't find a way to beat certain managers and their rugby style approach, he will not win another PL title. It really doesn't matter if me, you or anybody else on this forum wants it or not.
Also, just because we lose a game where a call goes against us, doesn't mean we would've won or drew the game if the ref had made the call right.
Yep, Birmingham are richer than us and everyone in the CL are always richer than us too. You need to spend a fortune to fix GK and CB. Our squad is as deep and better balanced than Man City. Doesn't matter if we didn't have to overpay for transfers. Over the past few years we've over paid players a fortune for zero output under Wenger's watch with his self created wage distribution policy that has fvck all to do with reality.You're looking short term and very simplistically. Nobody's saying Wenger is perfect, he makes mistakes like all the other managers. Football is a complex game and I actually don't believe there's much between all the top managers. But this 'one manager's got another's number' is child's stuff.
Wenger beat Ranieri twice last year and had his number but Ranieri beat most of the rest and had their number. But this year they've all got his number. It's f***ing rubbish.
Wenger's managed us for over 1110 games and in that time the vast majority of loses are to richer clubs. It's as simple as that. Looking over a dozen games is meaningless. Whatever his shortcomings he's nearly always finished slightly above his squad value, in a game where most finish on or below (with exception of maybe Simeone). But he still probably won't win the league until Arsenal can match the big boys for squad depth (but they are moving up) or unless he has a fluke season like Leicester.
That's a fair enough point if you believe that.This season we have the squad to win the league and I believe we can. If we don't only Wenger is going to be at fault. Injuries are his responsibility but we don't have that left as an excuse anyway.
Your most negative post ever, shame on you.That's a fair enough point if you believe that.
But you don't mind if I disagree. Our elite players are indeed a match for anyone: Sanchez, Özil, Cech, Kos, Santi, maybe Bellerin. But Santi's always injured these days.
But Walcott, Ramsey and Ox, whilst excellent at times are too often cack. Replacing them with elite players, if we could get them would be another maybe £150 m. Then we'd be up to Chelsea spending. But not Man C and Man U.
Monreal Coq, Gibbs are good EPL standard, nothing special though. Mustafi is good too and has settled quickly. Iwobi is work in progress, but can be excellent. Elneny seems solid.
Debuchy's always injured, Jenkinson is way below par ATM. Xhaka has a lot question marks and is adjusting to the EPL. Welbeck is always injured. Holding work in progress.
Personally I don't think that squad is anywhere near United's depth. It has a way to go.
Just realism, no BSYour most negative post ever, shame on you.
You're looking short term and very simplistically. Nobody's saying Wenger is perfect, he makes mistakes like all the other managers. Football is a complex game and I actually don't believe there's much between all the top managers. But this 'one manager's got another's number' is child's stuff.
Wenger beat Ranieri twice last year and had his number but Ranieri beat most of the rest and had their number. But this year they've all got his number. It's f***ing rubbish.
Wenger's managed us for over 1110 games and in that time the vast majority of loses are to richer clubs. It's as simple as that. Looking over a dozen games is meaningless. Whatever his shortcomings he's nearly always finished slightly above his squad value, in a game where most finish on or below (with exception of maybe Simeone). But he still probably won't win the league until Arsenal can match the big boys for squad depth (but they are moving up) or unless he has a fluke season like Leicester.
Nothing wrong with dreaming.
This all opinion mate, so you could be right.I personally think the only squad that is deeper in quality than Arsenal's is Man City's, but even that is a close call because they have some serious holes in various positions like GK, CB and full-back.
I don't think Chelsea's squad is any deeper than Arsenal's. It could be a second year running where lack of European Football has made rival's squad's deeper relative to Arsenal's by having less games.
This all opinion mate, so you could be right.
Personally I think Sanchez and Özil, are similar in class to Costa and Hazard.
But the likes of Willian, Oscar, Pedro, Fabregas , Kante, Matic etc are much more consistent players and less injury prone than the likes Walcott, Ox and Ramsey, Coq, Iwobi.
Xahka and Elneny are still adjusting to the Prem, whilst the Chelsea guys are all seasoned campaigners. Santi is always injured of course.
The back lines and keeper are similar or perhaps Arsenal edge it.
No contest for me.
Fair enough arguments. I think we're a few levels above United honestly. They need a revamp of players. And they, City and Chelski overpay for players.That's a fair enough point if you believe that.
But you don't mind if I disagree. Our elite players are indeed a match for anyone: Sanchez, Özil, Cech, Kos, Santi, maybe Bellerin. But Santi's always injured these days.
But Walcott, Ramsey and Ox, whilst excellent at times are too often cack. Replacing them with elite players, if we could get them would be another maybe £150 m. Then we'd be up to Chelsea spending. But not Man C and Man U.
Monreal Coq, Gibbs are good EPL standard, nothing special though. Mustafi is good too and has settled quickly. Iwobi is work in progress, but can be excellent. Elneny seems solid.
Debuchy's always injured, Jenkinson is way below par ATM. Xhaka has a lot question marks and is adjusting to the EPL. Welbeck is always injured. Holding work in progress.
Personally I don't think that squad is anywhere near United's depth. It has a way to go.
Yeah, 'depth' implies quality of the 1st team and back-up.You make a good case there, but you have players like Moses and Alonso who you've not mentioned, who Chelsea are making use of in their system. Moses isn't really a defender but is suited to the wing-back position.
Absolutely Arsenal don't have wide players that can match Hazard, Willian, Pedro unless they put Alexis out there and have a significantly weaker striker than Costa such as Giroud.
Özil is quality but doesn't have that physical dynamism or work rate of a Hazrd or Willian. Walcott is quick back lacks the footballing abiltity of a Pedro.
Seems it's a bit more about quality, versatility and physicality than 'depth' per se, but it's six and one and half a dozen of the other and the lack of European football is only going to help...
Simplistic and short term then you use one season to justify your stance.You're looking short term and very simplistically. Nobody's saying Wenger is perfect, he makes mistakes like all the other managers. Football is a complex game and I actually don't believe there's much between all the top managers. But this 'one manager's got another's number' is child's stuff.
Wenger beat Ranieri twice last year and had his number but Ranieri beat most of the rest and had their number. But this year they've all got his number. It's f***ing rubbish.
Wenger's managed us for over 1110 games and in that time the vast majority of loses are to richer clubs. It's as simple as that. Looking over a dozen games is meaningless. Whatever his shortcomings he's nearly always finished slightly above his squad value, in a game where most finish on or below (with exception of maybe Simeone). But he still probably won't win the league until Arsenal can match the big boys for squad depth (but they are moving up) or unless he has a fluke season like Leicester.
Nothing wrong with dreaming.
You're looking short term and very simplistically. Nobody's saying Wenger is perfect, he makes mistakes like all the other managers. Football is a complex game and I actually don't believe there's much between all the top managers. But this 'one manager's got another's number' is child's stuff.
Wenger beat Ranieri twice last year and had his number but Ranieri beat most of the rest and had their number. But this year they've all got his number. It's f***ing rubbish.
Wenger's managed us for over 1110 games and in that time the vast majority of loses are to richer clubs. It's as simple as that. Looking over a dozen games is meaningless. Whatever his shortcomings he's nearly always finished slightly above his squad value, in a game where most finish on or below (with exception of maybe Simeone). But he still probably won't win the league until Arsenal can match the big boys for squad depth (but they are moving up) or unless he has a fluke season like Leicester.
Nothing wrong with dreaming.
If we compare player vs player chelsea has the best team ON PAPER.This all opinion mate, so you could be right.
Personally I think Sanchez and Özil, are similar in class to Costa and Hazard.
But the likes of Willian, Oscar, Pedro, Fabregas , Kante, Matic etc are much more consistent players and less injury prone than the likes Walcott, Ox and Ramsey, Coq, Iwobi.
Xahka and Elneny are still adjusting to the Prem, whilst the Chelsea guys are all seasoned campaigners. Santi is always injured of course.
The back lines and keeper are similar or perhaps Arsenal edge it.
No contest for me.
It would be great to realise that dream but it's less of a gamble to buy older, tried and tested players if you have the money of course.Fair enough arguments. I think we're a few levels above United honestly. They need a revamp of players. And they, City and Chelski overpay for players.
Chelsea get a good amount while selling. Something we must put our thought in to. We could get good money and an always evolving squad if we move on players. Squad renewal is a healthy practice if you look at Bayern and Barcelona with how they do it.
Rest I agree with but I would add that both the players and the managers are responsible for their development. Wenger-this is something that is highly debatable and disagreeable- I think doesn't do well with positional game for development and players that need a hand on how to play. Look at how well Barcelona and recently Lyon have done with coaching that at youth level. I get that from the development of Cesc-this is why-, Ramsey and Wilshere who are all positionally clueless.
One good sign is that we're producing talents who look a few levels above we've ever done. Something that Sralex maximized to great effect during his time with Man Utd's homegrown bunch. My personal dream is we produce a world class bunch of players from within. Recently, Wenger become braver again with young players. I guess the heart break from Cesc RVP stuff kind of had an effect.
Thats policy is fine but at some point, if you want be a constantly competitive giant club you need a core group of players that come from the academy.It would be great to realise that dream but it's less of a gamble to buy older, tried and tested players if you have the money of course.
Ramsey's problems are not just his positioning. His first touch is often poor and gives the ball away far too much. At the very top level that isn't good enough . . fine margins. There's a number of coaches at Arsenal, not least the well respected Jonker. They must meet up regularly and discuss strategies through development stages. Wenger is not acting alone a any level.
As for over paying, it's a simple matter of supply and demand.