Granit Xhaka: 2019/20 Performances

[lomekian]

Are you so thick that you can't understand my post?

Did I say anyone compared him to Viera?
Re-read my post and comprehend what I wrote

Ah, selective quoting, a bit like your selective comprehension. I know exactly what you wrote. I was merely drawing attention to your false argument hyperbole by echoing it. You've been banging on here with endless posts implying we're all saying he was brilliant and blowing smoke up his rear, when I've barely seen anything more strongly supportive than the team was better with him in it, as it has been most of the season, and he's our most important midfielder.

I haven't seen a single post suggesting we should build the team around him or that he is some sort of colossus that is the standard we should aspire to.

You and a couple of others are spitting feathers because other people rate him a little bit higher than you do, which inevitably leads to people defending him a bit, which then leads to you inflating their points of view so you try to suggest the counter view is ridiculous. When in actuality, the counter view is purely one of degree and not extremes.

We're aware of each others viewpoints, so there is no need to be dishonest in representing differing views.

Back on topic, the real question is this:

If Xhaka is currently our most important midfielder, how do we rebuild our midfield to make it better in the knowledge that we have limited funds, and how do we long-term transition to a point where Xhaka becomes a player we can sell or drop without leaving a chaotic mess in his absence?

 

[RacingPhoton]

1. It was Burnley away, not home

2. He did play Chelsea away, and had a superb performance playing at CB when Luiz was sent off

3. the '458' is because of the 8 minutes he played against City, so don't think they came up with that

4. Only one idiot here, you.

My bad. I got Burnley away and Chelsea home mixed up. But still Chelsea, City twice and Southampton is not in any way same as Southampton, West Ham, Everton and Newcastle. Comparing the team performances against these 2 sets of teams is idiotic.

 

[RacingPhoton]

Mate, your knowledge of the game is poor, you cry about the likes of Rosicky and Coquelin. Better stick to rubbish like Wrestling.

He's not getting a second chance. You had guys like @Big Poppa telling us at the start of the season how the likes of Willock should be starting ahead of Xhaka, and many people saying how pretty much all the other midfielders are better than him. Now the narrative from horrendous posters like @Oxeki, @RacingPhoton and yourself has shifted and you are restoring to rubbish such as "hE's ThE bEsT oF a BaD BuNcH" because you were wrong.

The good posters however recognise that he's an important player to the team, and that the hate was over the top. That's it.

The hate was not over the top. It is similar to the hate Mustafi and Luiz received when they were making mistakes.
I don't think even 'Best of a bad bunch' is the right answer to it. His competitors are Ceballos, Torreira and Willock. Willock is still 20 years old. The other 2 have been as bad as Xhaka. That doesn't make him the best. We may call him important because we don't really have any other midfielders. If we have many injuries and are left with just Mustafi and Luiz as CB's, they are also important players for us. Doesn't make them good players.

 

[say yes]

He’s been our best player under Arteta, who seems like the only manager we’ve had who really understand how to get the best out of Granit.

Xhaka - Partey next season please.

 

[Big Poppa]

Mate, your knowledge of the game is poor, you cry about the likes of Rosicky and Coquelin. Better stick to rubbish like Wrestling.

He's not getting a second chance. You had guys like @Big Poppa telling us at the start of the season how the likes of Willock should be starting ahead of Xhaka, and many people saying how pretty much all the other midfielders are better than him. Now the narrative from horrendous posters like @Oxeki, @RacingPhoton and yourself has shifted and you are restoring to rubbish such as "hE's ThE bEsT oF a BaD BuNcH" because you were wrong.

The good posters however recognise that he's an important player to the team, and that the hate was over the top. That's it.

I’m not reading that

 

[Marjorie]

People still crying for Torreira? Only reason he was even relevant is because Xhaka ran the midfield play by himself. Now he can’t even get ahead of Willock or AMN

Injured isn't he?

 

[Trilly]

He's cost us many and games and he's one the reason our midfield is crap. The former and the latter are not mutually exclusive, you know?

One of the reasons or the reason?

 

[Oxeki]

One of the reasons or the reason?

One of

 

[GDeep™]

He’s going to be an integral player for Arteta in the coming years. Tempted to say give him the captaincy again but maybe let’s not put that pressure back on him.

 

[Trilly]

One of [the reasons our midfield is crap]

Very different to this

He's the main reason our midfield is crap.

This is what I mean about people's dislike for Xhaka leading them to say things they don't even mean.

 

[celestis]

Very different to this


This is what I mean about people's dislike for Xhaka leading them to say things they don't even mean.

We don’t win without Xhaka. He gives our mid shape.

 

[Riou]

Very different to this


This is what I mean about people's dislike for Xhaka leading them to say things they don't even mean.

Think he might be talking about buying Xhaka is when our midfield really started going wrong, we haven't had a working midfield in years really...plus the anger on him and Mustafi is understandable to a degree, summer 2016 killed us.

 

[Trilly]

Think he might be talking about buying Xhaka is when our midfield really started going wrong, we haven't had a working midfield in years really...plus the anger on him and Mustafi is understandable to a degree, summer 2016 killed us.

That's not what he said.

I understand why you wouldn't like Xhaka, you're more likely to dislike someone who has clearly lost you a game like Xhaka/Mustafi/Luiz rather than guys who quietly offer **** all like the rest of our midfielders.

I just wish people would own their dislike for him rather than trying to say he's the entire reason our midfield is f*cked.

 

[dashsnow17]

He’s going to be an integral player for Arteta in the coming years. Tempted to say give him the captaincy again but maybe let’s not put that pressure back on him.

You're probably right, Arteta seems to really like him.

If Auba leaves this summer who gets the captaincy? I have no idea, you'd think Bellerin obviously but in current form there's huge question marks over whether he's actually good enough. I swear the captaincy at Arsenal is cursed.

 

[dashsnow17]

Leno? I guess he could be captain. Tierney is definitely captain material and could be a good enough player, but it's way too soon. If not Leno then I guess it goes to Bellerin by default. Or who knows, maybe in a topsy-turvy world Xhaka is made captain again.

 

[Aevi]

Ah, selective quoting, a bit like your selective comprehension. I know exactly what you wrote. I was merely drawing attention to your false argument hyperbole by echoing it. You've been banging on here with endless posts implying we're all saying he was brilliant and blowing smoke up his rear, when I've barely seen anything more strongly supportive than the team was better with him in it, as it has been most of the season, and he's our most important midfielder.

I haven't seen a single post suggesting we should build the team around him or that he is some sort of colossus that is the standard we should aspire to.

You and a couple of others are spitting feathers because other people rate him a little bit higher than you do, which inevitably leads to people defending him a bit, which then leads to you inflating their points of view so you try to suggest the counter view is ridiculous. When in actuality, the counter view is purely one of degree and not extremes.

We're aware of each others viewpoints, so there is no need to be dishonest in representing differing views.

Back on topic, the real question is this:

If Xhaka is currently our most important midfielder, how do we rebuild our midfield to make it better in the knowledge that we have limited funds, and how do we long-term transition to a point where Xhaka becomes a player we can sell or drop without leaving a chaotic mess in his absence?

Good stuff mate, there's classic strawmanning in some of these anti-Xhaka posts.

 

[GDeep™]

Leno? I guess he could be captain. Tierney is definitely captain material and could be a good enough player, but it's way too soon. If not Leno then I guess it goes to Bellerin by default. Or who knows, maybe in a topsy-turvy world Xhaka is made captain again.

Hard to say as behind the scenes we don’t know their personalities and behaviour. We know Xhaka is supposed to be a massive influence as that’s what 3 managers have told us, he was also nominated by his team mates to lead them.

I’m not sure as Auba as captain, guy is like a ghost on the pitch. Even Golies as captain, not feeling it, always away from the action.

 

[BigPoppaPump]

Tbf, I think the reason a lot of people give Xhaka chance after chance, is because of his handsomeness.

6 foot tall, strong jaw, broad shoulders...he's a good looking guy...compared to Toreirra, who looks like a character out of Lord Of The Rings

Some people get extra in life because of how attractive they are, I know all about these benefits.

The world is a very shallow place really.

Why you copying me?

 

[BigPoppaPump]

Hating Xhaka at this point just means you’re bias and care more about your agenda than the team.

 

[OnlyOne]

He's our best midfielder but he's still average, would sell and bring some else in.

Silly to overhype this guy because we won with him in the team.