Porstmouth vs Arsenal: player ratings

[outlaw_member]

I agree Outlaw but he still can't finish for sh!t and in an attacker thats err a disadvantage.

I forgot to add that his finishing needs drastic improvements.

By the way, does anyone know how many headed goals Bendtner and Adebayor have clocked up?

 

[Lukazan]

I'd give them all a 7, except Djourou who gets a 15 and Ronald Reagan gets 14.

 

[Unforgiven]

Fabianski 6.5
Sagna 6
Song 6
Djourou 5.5
Eboue 7
Walcott 6
Denilson 6
Ramsey 6
Arshavin 7.5
Vela 7
Bendtner 7.5

 

[GaelForce22]

I agree Outlaw but he still can't finish for sh!t and in an attacker thats err a disadvantage.

I forgot to add that his finishing needs drastic improvements.

By the way, does anyone know how many headed goals Bendtner and Adebayor have clocked up?

Adebayor - Blackburn, Porto, Middlesbrough, Hull, Man City (5)
Bendtner - Cardiff, Newcastle, Portsmouth (3)

 

[irishgunnerz]

Just to stir the **** Im gonna point out Arshavin's MOTM.....a certain Denilson of whom he said....

“Denilson, who played central midfield, in my opinion, was master of all the players. He selected and made all the passes to those around him”.

 

[Klaus Daimler]

Just to stir the s**t Im gonna point out Arshavin's MOTM.....a certain Denilson of whome he said....

“Denilson, who played central midfield, in my opinion, was master of all the players. He selected and made all the passes to those around him”.

Sack turnip Arshavin. Wenger out. David Villa > Pat Rice.

 

[True Gooner]

Just to stir the s**t Im gonna point out Arshavin's MOTM.....a certain Denilson of whom he said....

“Denilson, who played central midfield, in my opinion, was master of all the players. He selected and made all the passes to those around him”.

Lies.

Denilson got Arshavin's pics too! :shock:

 

[progman07]

I've read that Arshavin had 12 (!) tackles against Portsmouth. That's just wow, for a forward playing at the wing he has put in serious amount of work.


Oh and about Denilson, hopefully Arshavin helps him because Denilson is absolutely lost nowadays - it's nice to see the Russian praise the youngsters, it can only raise their confidence.

 

[True Gooner]

Oh and about Denilson, hopefully Arshavin helps him because Denilson is absolutely lost nowadays - it's nice to see the Russian praise the youngsters, it can only raise their confidence.

So that was a pity MOTM?

 

[asajoseph]

Well it was an inaccurate one, whatever Arshavin felt.

 

[Nela]

I've read that Arshavin had 12 (!) tackles against Portsmouth. That's just wow, for a forward playing at the wing he has put in serious amount of work.

Where did you read that? The only place I could find with any info was the Yahoo player stats which said Arshavin had 1 along with Bendtner and Theo. Ramsey, Vela, Djourou, Song, Merida had 2. Sagna 5. Denilson 8.

 

[banduan]

yahoo stats are awful though

 

[sesquioxide]

yahoo stats are awful though

The Guardian is authoritative since it charts the detail (e.g. time) of every single tackle, shot, interception, and pass:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/chalkboards/create" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/chalkboards/create</a>

Arshavin did make 1 single successful tackle out of 4 attempts, while Denilson did make 8 successful tackles out of 9.

(In other words, Yahoo wasn't wrong.)

Speaking as one who hasn't watched the game and judging from the Guardian's raw data about the direction and number of passes, I do think Arshavin has a case in saying that Denilson was the "master of all the players". Denilson had the dominant number of passes and he looks like he was helpful in moving players forward. I do have to note though that Ramsey has some very interesting data. He seems to have a very high rate of pass completion for the distance and forward direction of his passes. In this respect he even outperforms Fabregas in his terrific performance at the Old Trafford victory 2 seasons ago. Promising stuff.

 

[asajoseph]

In other words, there's more than one way of measuring tackles statistically.

Perhaps it would be interesting to see what Arsenal.com have to say, as they've often had very different numbers in this regard to other websites. But frankly, I've had enough of the statistical guff for this season.

With regards to this particular match, I do think Denilson really showed up in the last 20 minutes or so, when he started playing well. Up until that point though, he was very poor.

 

[progman07]

I've read that Arshavin had 12 (!) tackles against Portsmouth. That's just wow, for a forward playing at the wing he has put in serious amount of work.

Where did you read that? The only place I could find with any info was the Yahoo player stats which said Arshavin had 1 along with Bendtner and Theo. Ramsey, Vela, Djourou, Song, Merida had 2. Sagna 5. Denilson 8.

In the Lobby ops:

 

[kel varnsen]

denilson played well for once. he did pretty much exactly what you'd expect from a central midfielder.

 

[ricky1985]

I don't like his game. I think he's greedy, selfish, and too slow in his decision making. I think we lose so many opportunities to create because he isn't aware enough of what is around him. Watching Bendtner and Arshavin in close proximity is like night and day. If that's 'ultra bollox' then so be it. It's what I think.

When I see Bendtner, I see;

He is the hub of the attack, and the quick, intelligent, off the ball runners just feed off his energy. I've noticed him play atleast a small part in a large majority of attacks we build, when he is on the pitch. The reason he never works as well with Adebayor and RVP, is because they also play the same type of role.

Bendtner's weaknesses are that his technique at times is not up to speed with his brain. He also needs to work on his final ball, when he drives at the opposition backline. My worry is that, he is still 2-3 years away from a legitimate first team chance, mainly because big players tend to take a while developing.

Nice paint job!

I think Bendtner has it in him to become a very good player but at the moment he takes far too long to release the ball, I think he often chooses the wrong option, or takes so long to play the pass that the right pass has become the wrong pass.

I feel whenever he plays he is seriously hampering our creativity and fluidity in the final thrid.

 

[outlaw_member]

I see your point, and I agree with it to an extent, as he does have plenty of room for improvement. Although, a player like Bendtner is important in how creative and fluid you can potentially be in the final 3rd. Think of Arshavin and co. as the sexy strippers, who strip dance around a pole, in other words Bendtner. :wink:

 

[GaelForce22]

That is not a nice mental image.

 

[law]

Just to stir the s**t Im gonna point out Arshavin's MOTM.....a certain Denilson of whom he said....

“Denilson, who played central midfield, in my opinion, was master of all the players. He selected and made all the passes to those around him”.

I'm glad Arshavin feels that way. I think Arshavin's helped a lot of our players because he's very good at building partnerships. He can anticipate what his team-mates want to do, what they want him to do and how they like to play far better than any of our current players. In the Portsmouth match I thought he worked really well with Eboue. Both are players who try to do something with the ball when they get it rather than keep it safe. I think most of our other players don't see where Eboue wants them to move when they're in possession and don't know where he's likely to move when they have the ball but Arshavin's so good that's not a problem. Also Andy seemed very willing to cover for Eboue when he bombed forward. I've been surprised by the little Russian's willingness and ability to defend. Although he's obviously far better than most of our players he's willing to adapt to how they play as well as expecting them to adapt to him.