Premier League 23/24: Gameweek 7 (Sep 30-Oct 3)

[Melquiades]

Its because its not an error, its match fixing in the open. If anyone believes that explanation ur naive and I feel sorry for you all.

Match-fixing was the September 2022 Arsenal-United game when two referees from Manchester were somehow assigned to that fixture and then made a never-seen-before-never-seen-again call to go way back in the play to steal a goal for an innocuous ‘foul’ in the buildup.

I don’t know what the hell this is. It’s so blatantly stupid that part of me thinks it must just be mindblowing incompetence.

 

[Batman]

So we're to believe that he thought they were checking an allowed goal and then when he saw that Hooper had disallowed the goal, he wasn't capable of using the com system that has him in his ear for the entire match to say he'd made a mistake and there was no offside? LMAO they really think we're all dumb. Liverpool should pursue criminal charges. They have an instant communication and it could have been rectified immediately. This was done on purpose and it's a disgrace.

 

[sdotzdot]

Not buying it for the reasons stated already and also, they pretty much always draw and show the offside lines. So, I’m expected to believe they thought it was onside and were too scared to fix the miscommunication, and conveniently also at the same time just so happened to not draw the laws for millions to see?

Na, that’s rubbish. Now I am genuinely concerned about something fishy going in with such a stupid excuse being laid out to the public…

 

[Melquiades]

So we're to believe that he thought they were checking an allowed goal and then when he saw that Hooper had disallowed the goal, he wasn't capable of using the com system that has him in his ear for the entire match to say he'd made a mistake and there was no offside? LMAO they really think we're all dumb. Liverpool should pursue criminal charges. They have an instant communication and it could have been rectified immediately. This was done on purpose and it's a disgrace.

But the thing is, if I was a ref and I was fixing a result in one team’s favour I would never use something as cut/dried as this.

You can call/not call penalties and easily swing a game that way because there’s so much grey area there, and same with carding players. The Van Persie red was garbage, but it was garbage that a corrupt ref could still defend by the letter of the law.

This is just … a clownshow. The absolute best-case you get from intentionally ignoring protocols in such a big game like this to fix a black/white decision is that you get branded incompetent and suspended and risk your job. There is no defensibility for it and it’s hard to imagine anyone trying to be cunning enough to fix results would go that route … which makes me lean toward the ridiculous incompetence explanation actually being true.

So freaking weird.

 

[Batman]

But the thing is, if I was a ref and I was fixing a result in one team’s favour I would never use something as cut/dried as this.

You can call/not call penalties and easily swing a game that way because there’s so much grey area there, and same with carding players. The Van Persie red was garbage, but it was garbage that a corrupt ref could still defend by the letter of the law.

This is just … a clownshow. The absolute best-case you get from intentionally ignoring protocols in such a big game like this to fix a black/white decision is that you get branded incompetent and suspended and risk your job. There is no defensibility for it and it’s hard to imagine anyone trying to be cunning enough to fix results would go that route … which makes me lean toward the ridiculous incompetence explanation actually being true.

So freaking weird.

I get what you're saying, it's too stupid to be intentional but my counter argument is that corrupt entities all over the world are corrupt right in our faces because they know they can get away with it. Referees in all sports are protected like the last white Tiger or something. When you basically make it so that they have absolute authority and any criticism of them can result in a fine or even suspension, is it that far outside the realm of possibility to think that they internalize that and believe they can get away with even the most blatant corruption?

Beyond that, when they see the "punishments" doled out to offenders which is usually a week off (probably paid), is that enough of a deterrent to offset what could be lucrative bribes? I don't think so. I think we have a huge systemic problem in England with the referees and no amount of new technology or joke "punishments" are going to fix the issue. There needs to be an independent review as well as someone with the power to subpoena bank records and do a real dig into every PGMOL official's finances.

It might be the case that the findings are ugly and embarrassing for the FA and PGMOL but if anyone there cares about the integrity of the game, it's the only way forward. Hollow apologies to aggrieved parties and slaps on the wrist for repeat offenders are not going to cut it. Something has to change or we have no choice but to assume the "mistakes" are a feature rather than a bug.

 

[Bagels]

Hate being conspiratorial, but that explanation beggars belief. Up there with forgetting to draw the lines when checking for an offside. That level of incompetence is unbelievable.

I don’t even know what’s more frightening - that there’s blatant referee corruption, or that the lack of accountability at the PGMOL has created an environment where referees this bad are elevated to the EPL.

 

[blaze_of_glory]

Hate being conspiratorial, but that explanation beggars belief. Up there with forgetting to draw the lines when checking for an offside. That level of incompetence is unbelievable.

I don’t even know what’s more frightening - that there’s blatant referee corruption, or that the lack of accountability at the PGMOL has created an environment where referees this bad are elevated to the EPL.

This is actually why I believe it lol.

 

[BaZZe]

But also, was the VAR official not watching the game and at the concession getting a burger or something?

He wass, they actually caught Darren England on camera coming back from McDonald's

WHO WANTS A F*****G BURGER

youtube.com

 

[SA Gunner]

TDLR: I have to check my arrogance towards transition based teams. They have their place at the top of football. My bad, my bad.

Looking at some post game analysis of Sp**s v Liverpool, and I realised I had missed the boat a bit with Liverpool’s tactics.

Liverpool were purposefully looking to bypass central areas and look to go more direct to their front line. They knew Sp**s wanted to get the game won in central areas so as to free up the wide spaces for a quick switch and cut back.

I know I mentioned that transitional ball isn’t all that. But I must respect that this is Liverpool by design and what makes them such a deadly side, both now and in years gone by.

Counter attack ball has its place, we can’t all just play like City.

 

[celestis]

Fark Liverpool the way they were so desperate for us to fail last season , couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of kunts .

 

[celestis]

Liverpool reminds me of Arsenal 2000 to 2005 , just as good with 10 men . Hilariously we beat them 2-0 in Anfiield with 10 men after losing a man when we were 1-0 up

 

[razörist]

This explanation is crap. How long until you see the score is not 0-1 to Liverpool and call down saying there has been a miscommunication? 10 seconds? This just makes me believe its corruption. Didnt they call back United to take a penalty after the final whistle had blown a while back? If they can do that they certainly can give the goal 10 seconds later anyway.

 

[Macho]

I think it’s more unwillingness to admit they’ve made a mistake in real time than match fixing.

They only really come out after the match when you can do nothing about the result and it’s undeniable after replays etc.

There is a real us and them mentality instead of a collaborative one with PGMOL.

 

[Hunta]

It’s more and more obvious that the PL have decided to fix it for Sp**s this season.

Liverpool should take their complaints to Elon. The most fixed match EVER seen.

 

[dino bravo]

Liverpool reminds me of Arsenal 2000 to 2005 , just as good with 10 men . Hilariously we beat them 2-0 in Anfiield with 10 men after losing a man when we were 1-0 up

2-1 mate, I was there and it was brilliant. Gio VB got a ridiculous red after about 30 mins when it was 0-0.

 

[Hunta]

Liverpool reminds me of Arsenal 2000 to 2005 , just as good with 10 men . Hilariously we beat them 2-0 in Anfiield with 10 men after losing a man when we were 1-0 up

It’s their attack. So direct and they have the players to find them with one or two passes.

 

[Rex Stone]

Fark Liverpool the way they were so desperate for us to fail last season , couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of kunts .

Ones I knew were backing us all the way because they f*cking hate City.

It was embarrassingly small time Utd fans I knew who were the opposite.

 

[Sammy1887]

Balance is shifting tbh. All those offside goals Liverpool used to score and the Redcards they avoided (remember Mane's regular elbow throwing) are now catching up to them.

 

[steppenwolf]

Re second Wolves goal - the guy who got the assist didn't try to swivel and shoot but instead saw that the guy who he got the ball from is home free. Great vision in a split second.

 

[Bloodbather]

Its because its not an error, its match fixing in the open. If anyone believes that explanation ur naive and I feel sorry for you all.

You are underestimating the level of incompetence.

Match fixing happens in a much more subtle, discreet manner.