Lukazan
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Wha? RVP hasn't looked dangerous on a set-piece since 06.... he's bloody shocking.
It's frustrating to see Robin and Cesc take a short corner at a time when we've moved both our centrebacks into the box, though. It's not like we're taking it short to try and catch them off guard either. We just play it out to Song or Wilshere at the edge of the box and then usually onto the other flank. When was the last time we even got a goal out of a short corner? Does anyone know?outlaw_member said:I like the corner routine. We rarely score the conventional way, so why not try something new?
Klaus Daimler said:When was the last time we even got a goal out of a short corner? Does anyone know?
Lukazan said:Wha? RVP hasn't looked dangerous on a set-piece since 06.... he's bloody shocking.
Klaus Daimler said:It's frustrating to see Robin and Cesc take a short corner at a time when we've moved both our centrebacks into the box, though. It's not like we're taking it short to try and catch them off guard either. We just play it out to Song or Wilshere at the edge of the box and then usually onto the other flank. When was the last time we even got a goal out of a short corner? Does anyone know?outlaw_member said:I like the corner routine. We rarely score the conventional way, so why not try something new?
outlaw_member said:We should keep our CB's back, in my opinion. None of them bar Vermaelen have indicated that they're actually worth sending forward. It's like an unwritten law to send your CB's up for a corner, but what's the point if it rarely ever proves worthwhile?
I'm not too worried about it going back to Song, as it means that we've kept control of the ball. All too often, the opposition keeper catches it and then promptly launches a counter, or we just end up ceding possession of the ball. Ideally, they would look to carve out a chance, like when Fabregas chipped it to van Persie who shot just wide.
outlaw_member said:We should keep our CB's back, in my opinion. None of them bar Vermaelen have indicated that they're actually worth sending forward. It's like an unwritten law to send your CB's up for a corner, but what's the point if it rarely ever proves worthwhile?
I'm not too worried about it going back to Song, as it means that we've kept control of the ball. All too often, the opposition keeper catches it and then promptly launches a counter, or we just end up ceding possession of the ball. Ideally, they would look to carve out a chance, like when Fabregas chipped it to van Persie who shot just wide.
And it has worked yesterday with at least one of the corners, with Nas feeding VP who shot from a tight angle (but not "impossible", like someone said) to the near corner (which Hart didn't have a prayer to block - that power and distance). The CB's there are an option, and make it very hard for the defense: our creators can still find them, and with a D that has to track much movement, but also some defenders must stick with them, thus leaving some gaps for whatever the quick movers/thinkers spot.ricky1985 said:The short corner routines have actually been quite refreshing to see. A bit of inventiveness, you realise how rare it is when you see it. We're not a big team, or particularly blessed with great headers of the ball - so it make sense to try something different. And we constantly look dangerous when we do it.
I also really liked the way Cesc, Samir and Robin worked an indirect freekick up at Birmingham - Samir with a really simple but clever dummy that meant Robin got his shot off. Clever players doing clever things.
Kain said:You are disregarding them your saying you want a striker who is more adapt at finishing who finds the back of the net regularly and offers more penetration around the opposition area, despite DaG’s stat list that Ricky posted if accurate blowing the goal view clear out of the water it doesn’t get much better than 1 in 2 at top flight Premier League level and that we have players already in the squad namely Nasri and Theo who have been consistently penetrating the opposition defences time and again all season but unless RVP does so it’s a stick to beat him with?
Forlan, Aguero & Tevez have one major factor over RVP it’s not their finishing, not their goal record simply the fact that they are able to stay injury free. RVP has a horrible injury record, he is injury prone but that’s ultimately not where the criticism is stemming from you like in the above paragraph. Nobody can argue that having to go for such long periods without our best striker doesn’t have a negative impact on our club just like it would for any of the clubs if these other 30+ goals a season strikers were to suffer similar injury dilemmas, yet to mark him down for being lacking compared to other top strikers in ability is dead wrong and I couldn’t disagree more.
Cliche formula? What's wrong with having Wilshere-Cesc-Nasri as the creative hub of the side, with Walcott and the CF being the primary goalscorers. It's hardly the same setup as Liverpool's.
What’s wrong with the system as it is if we are consistently one of the highest scoring teams around in top flight football?
You want the striker to score more goals despite our team’s ability to already get goals prolifically from wide areas, make them turn their game on their heads to support the striker instead i.e. glorified water carriers with Cesc as the creative hub and the prolific striker as the main man. What do we have to gain from nullifying our wide areas that way it’s deconstructive to say the least.
Missing a glut of chances is hardly a new problem. It's something that has plagued us for years. It's not just pace, it's also top goalscoring ability that we lack. In a game where we missed chance after chance, incidentally we were also wasteful against Birmingham, how could a great finisher NOT have helped our cause? Theo had alot of joy last night, in the sense that he was in many dangerous areas. The problem as always is Theo is still quite unreliable.
I agree, that it is the best the attacking lineup in the league. It doesn't change the fact that in my opinion we'd be even better with a proper goalscorer on the end of our infinite chances.
We don’t lack goal scoring ability, how can we possibly score as many goals as we do and lack goal scoring ability we’re 1 goal behind Utd in the league this season top scorers in the CL group stages. Out of 30 games we’ve played this season we’ve failed to score in just 5 games. We’ve racked up 70 goals in them fixtures that’s over 2 goals a game despite having one of the more difficult league starts in terms of fixtures of all the teams we’ll be competing with, again just how is that struggling for goals?
How do we lack pace whenever a team actually stops playing a 10-0-0 formation Nasri has been devastating, whenever he gets running at the opposition goal some of the Arshavin to Nasri cross field combo breaks have been superb, Theo’s been blistering, that goal in the CL he ran half the pitch and shot from 25 yards away bamboozling the keeper, that’s pace, why do we need more from some external striker?
We have great finishers here at Arsenal now, In Chelsea-Brum-City we arguably played three of the toughest defensive teams the Premier League has to offer including two of our bogey teams in a matter of days, yet walked away with 7 points and scored 6 goals.
Bossa said:outlaw_member said:We should keep our CB's back, in my opinion. None of them bar Vermaelen have indicated that they're actually worth sending forward. It's like an unwritten law to send your CB's up for a corner, but what's the point if it rarely ever proves worthwhile?
I'm not too worried about it going back to Song, as it means that we've kept control of the ball. All too often, the opposition keeper catches it and then promptly launches a counter, or we just end up ceding possession of the ball. Ideally, they would look to carve out a chance, like when Fabregas chipped it to van Persie who shot just wide.
Djourou is a dangerous guy in set pieces. There are a lot of times where he almost scored from a header.
ricky1985 said:Yet we've also been without Cesc and Robin for most of the season and it has been the same story with our best attackers/players in every season for over 5 years now.
If Jack, Cesc, Samir and Robin play the majority of our games between now and the end of the season, then we will finish as top scorers by the end of it.