Formation 20/21 Season

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by DennisTheLegend, Aug 12, 2020.

  1. Tir Na Nog

    Tir Na Nog In Big Trouble If He Speaks

  2. Manberg

    Manberg Predator

    I edited and switched Xhaka and El Neny around. I feel that El Neny’s mobility and dynamism is more useful in the press.
  3. DanDare

    DanDare Emoji Merchant and Believer-In-Chief Trusted

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  4. DanDare

    DanDare Emoji Merchant and Believer-In-Chief Trusted


    Probably the worst formation I've ever seen on this forum
  5. Manberg

    Manberg Predator

    Nice memes. Rather than seeing it as a joke, see it as a stroke of genius!
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  6. Riou

    Riou Non-Stop Nostalgia

    Xhaka and Ceballos as a pair of roaming number 10s for THE Arsenal...

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  7. Football Manager

    Football Manager Copy & Paste Merchant


    Stop playing players who are bad on the ball/can’t dribble past players/not involving enough in the general play.

    We need players who always wanted the ball, wanted to play patient possession football. Player who could keep the ball in tight space and like to make combination passes with their teammates.

    We have to work the ball into the box through the middle. Not rushing to play counter attack, or rushing crosses into the box.
  8. Manberg

    Manberg Predator

    El Neny and Ceballos. What's bad about the idea? Bellerin and Saka cover the width of the pitch. Those 2 AM's can drift wide as well. Auba would not be isolated in the middle either. Between Partey and Xhaka one goes forward while the other sits. 3 CB's keep us solid at the back. I can see it working. I think it's a masterstroke of an idea.
  9. arsmile

    arsmile Well-Known Member

    i mentioned this in the match thread but-

    it feels naïve as anything to think we can succeed without a midfield.

    This system is a back 5 and a front 3.

    That leaves a midfield of 2.

    what do we expect from them.

    One of them is elneny..scratch that...the best on is elneny...whose main attribute is his workrate.

    it leaves us with a bank of 5 in front of our penalty box....and bank of 3 infront of their penalty box....and then eleneny running between them like some kind of mad egyptian bullet train.

    as much as this system has worked in that it has the potential to be defnesively solid.

    that is at the expense of everything...when we try to be more positive with this formation...it is undone by the complete lack of transition in midfield.

    the success of this system appeaers to have been down to arteta motivating extreme workrate our of the players...to bring 2 of those front 3 into midfield and then relying on PEA's high conversion rate- but that isnt a plan?

    If the answer to football was getting your hardest working 11 players on the pitch and then getting them fired up, someone would have figured that out before Arteta.

    If that was the answer- then it would have worked for emery when he tried exactly the same thing- aside from clearly motivating the players better, almost everything arteta has done is **** that emery tried.

    the system is a load of old balls.

    when we have PEA as one of the best strikers in the world, Özil who could be playing behind him, Saka who seems like a once in a generation LW, Pepe who we just invested **** loads in to be a RW...why are we not running with that?

    it seems so deliberate in that we are avoiding players with type of creativity about them. If we are shunning Özil, why is willock not there in that position being played- he's the best player on the pitch almost every time he plays and was out most consistent and used player last season- but isnt getting on the bench now?

    we are completely ignoring having quality in midfield in order to get people who will press on the pitch.

    it leaves us with an array of CBs, STs, WBs and Wingers all running round like idiots around the perimeter of the pitch- and then and couple of players left to deal with the entire rest of the game of football.
  10. GoonerJay24

    GoonerJay24 Well-Known Member

    The system doesn't leave you exposed in midfield; many teams have had success using a 343 for example Chelsea under Conte.

    It's important that players execute their roles more efficiently and more essential for Arteta to have players in their correct positions otherwise it'll never work. Partey-Elneny is an adequate pivot for a 343 but the 3 in attack must be more decisive in the final third!

    Pepe should be given a run of games as it's the only way he's going to improve on his weaknesses,at least he brings a threat unlike Willian who is unfortunately a bit useless at present.
  11. yousif_arsenal

    yousif_arsenal King of Twitter Rumours Moderator

    Can we see something like this please

    Partey Elneny
    Pepe Willock Saka

    Something a normal team would do? Rather than insist playing unbalanced team.
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  12. Idiotologue

    Idiotologue Well-Known Member

    Bellerin Holding Gabriel Tierney
    Ceballos Thomas Maitland-Niles
    Pépé Aubameyang Saka

    Give up the ball, squeeze the opponent in the middle, press with the midfield, quickly get it to the attackers. What Arteta is attempting to do pragmatically, but doesn't properly commit to. Get the right personnel in there, fully commit to a fast-paced counter-attacking style.
  13. gunner4lyfe

    gunner4lyfe Well-Known Member

    Bellerin - Holding - Gabriel - Tierney
    El Neny - Partey
    Pepe - Auba - Saka

    It really cant be that hard to sort this out. Pepe Willian and Saka can all interchange when we have the ball.
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  14. Macho

    Macho Established Member Trusted

    I'd replace Willock with Willian. Ideally Özil but that's no longer possible.

    Willock won't help us as much as people clamour for him, he's just a kid. Even Saka who's levels above is starting to look flat nowadays.
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  15. gunner4lyfe

    gunner4lyfe Well-Known Member

    Either can work. I think Willock at least deserves a chance based on his Europa League form. He has the energy to press from that area at least.
  16. yousif_arsenal

    yousif_arsenal King of Twitter Rumours Moderator

    we know in modern football nobody playing with number 10 it's either 433 or 442 or 442 diamond or 343 handful of teams play 4-2-3-1 that's why i put Willock because he guy who can do both jobs.
  17. Mrs Bergkamp

    Mrs Bergkamp Established Member Trusted

    433 or 4231
    Bellerin Holding Gabriel Tierney
    Ceballos Partey Willock
    Nelson Auba Saka
    The defence are in their best positions. Five of the front six have ball playing skills and five of the six have pace.
    Bellerin Holding Gabriel Tierney
    Partey Ceballos
    Nelson Willock Saka
    The 3 are young, but they all have pace and technique and decent ball retention/retrieval out wide. They will also break into/near the box to add a goal threat.

    Pepe, Nketiah, Martinelli, ESR and Balogun provide options up front. If we're pushed, only try Willian as a last resort if the kids look out of their depth. Laca is purely another body-just in case we replicate or better the Fulham scoreline.
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  18. Malky

    Malky Established Member

    Bellerin Luiz Gabriel Tierney
    Partey Elneny
    Pepe Auba Martinelli ​

    Obviously once Martinelli is match fit. Could also swap Luiz with Holding or Saliba and Elneny with Ceballos, Xhaka or AMN!
  19. AmsterdamGunner

    AmsterdamGunner Active Member

    Stop playing with f*cking three centre backs and five defenders.
  20. akhil

    akhil Well-Known Member

    That's not necessarily true.
    There's just a dearth of true creative players, that's about it. Teams have adapted around it. Our late naughties teams with Fab,Rosicky,Hleb, Nasri would've had a field day under this sort of high press.

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