AFCG7
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Ok so we can all agree then that Vieira needs to be dropped!
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PL: Crystal Palace vs Arsenal | 6/11/04
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reggiepaul's alter ego
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Patrick are you really 42 or is that like 4 plus 2?
Joke.
Understand why Vieira is one of the best players we've every produced and everything will be fine.
Operative word being "WHY".
Joke.
Understand why Vieira is one of the best players we've every produced and everything will be fine.
Operative word being "WHY".
Florida Gooner
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While we certainly can't blame everything on one person, which would be completely unfair, anyone with a even a bit of the analytical eye can see that Vieira has not been himself all year, for whatever reason. Let's not discount the possibility that his past injury has cost him a step.
reggiepaul's alter ego
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lee1001 said:
I think I'll drop it as I've just noticed some people don't know why Vieira has placed himself in history as one of the greatest ever players.
AFCG7
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Thats why i said people shouldnt take my comments as a witch hunt against Vieira.. he is not the sole cause of our failings but his poor performance is putting too much pressure on our defense.
Florida Gooner
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patrick42uk said:
Here's a stat for you:
Palace: 1 shot on target - 1 goal
patrick42uk
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Gooner Fish said:
why make persomal digs? and yes lets stick to the topic. you'v said in one of your previous posts that the attack werent as composed because vieira's deliivery was delayed. well i'm countering that by sugesting vieira never gives the final delivery. vieira only creates indirectly. more often than not, the ball from vieira goes to one of the front men than to another which is why our front men register the assists not vieira. now the facts you pointed out suggest we had chances. that means the front men had th chance to create which means vieira fufilled his role of laying the ball onto them well. if anyone is going to be blamed for a poor final delivery leading to rushed shots, then it should be one of the front men and not vieira.
reggiepaul's alter ego
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LOL
Patrick you're still not listening and that's why I take personal digs. It gets tedious and I can't help but take the piss.
Did I say he takes the final delivery?
No.
Ask yourself this - what is the point of a team?
Scoring goals - hey we can all agree upon that.
Now let me move you on to the job of a central midfield.
Holding momentum, keeping up pace.
Vieira held on to the ball too long.
Read my posts in full, or I'm just going to take the piss. It's like in a film where they're always taking cheap shots at teh idiots because he can't understand.
For instance - say you're a hunter. Timing is of the essence and you need to shoot straight away. Now if you hold on to the gun too long, thinking, wondering, contemplating - your target disappears.
That's teh same with Arsenal - if Vieira holds on to the ball too long, we lose our chance. No matter how much in vain we attempt to shoot - they will be bad chances. This means we have the attack but our timing has built up a defence in the oppossition.
This is how arsenal play.
On the break.
Now Patrick I know you're trying to save face now. If you're not I think an idiot could understand this.
Patrick you're still not listening and that's why I take personal digs. It gets tedious and I can't help but take the piss.
Did I say he takes the final delivery?
No.
Ask yourself this - what is the point of a team?
Scoring goals - hey we can all agree upon that.
Now let me move you on to the job of a central midfield.
Holding momentum, keeping up pace.
Vieira held on to the ball too long.
Read my posts in full, or I'm just going to take the piss. It's like in a film where they're always taking cheap shots at teh idiots because he can't understand.
For instance - say you're a hunter. Timing is of the essence and you need to shoot straight away. Now if you hold on to the gun too long, thinking, wondering, contemplating - your target disappears.
That's teh same with Arsenal - if Vieira holds on to the ball too long, we lose our chance. No matter how much in vain we attempt to shoot - they will be bad chances. This means we have the attack but our timing has built up a defence in the oppossition.
This is how arsenal play.
On the break.
Now Patrick I know you're trying to save face now. If you're not I think an idiot could understand this.
reggiepaul's alter ego
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patrick42uk said:
No he didn't. Vieira has never ever been an assist man.
Vieira's game is clear ball and making a break.
Today he held on to the ball too long, creating a ten man defence. The old Vieira never does that.
I'll repeat that ad nauseum if you like.
Today he held on to the ball too long, creating a ten man defence. The old Vieira never does that.
Today he held on to the ball too long, creating a ten man defence. The old Vieira never does that.
lee1001
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Gooner Fish said:
If that was a dig at me then it was uncalled for as i didn't even mention Vieira, just that we didn't create many clear cut chances.
omega man
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We have to have a bad patch during the season and the fact we have
only lost 1 game during this bad spell is somewhat promising. Its
very hard to take our numerous drawn results but we are not
losing and its better to get the bad patch over with early!
only lost 1 game during this bad spell is somewhat promising. Its
very hard to take our numerous drawn results but we are not
losing and its better to get the bad patch over with early!
reggiepaul's alter ego
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lee1001 said:
No it wasn't. :roll:
sabret00the
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ok so i was watching the game in disbeleif, we all seemed to be playing so casually i couldn't quite grasp what was going on, we weren't playing ****e but just weren't taking the game seriously, we were dominating but didn't seem to wanna do anything with that fact.
what saddened me even more was the fact that Cygan got MoTM in my opinion by such a clear margin, it was a well deserved award i just wish the rest of the team would've taken his lead.
Lehmann - Calamity Jens again - 6
Lauren - Looked good both attacking and defensively - 7
Toure - Looked good again and made some key track backs as he tried to push up - 7
Cygan - Clearly our best player today - 8
Cole - although looked good was quiet, the partnership between him and pires seems to be a thing of yesterday - 7
Freddie - was running good and got in the game didn't make sense to bring him off - 7
Cesc - was the better of the two midfielders - 7
Vieira - made some good runs but doesn't look the player he was before this real saga - 6
Pires - **** me what was he even doing on the pitch - 5
Reyes - kept floating outta position and trying to play the winger of the central midfielder, attacked well but weren't his game of the season and to be honest looked outta position* as a central striker - 6
Henry - played on the wrong side, seemed to be on the road to improvement but it didn't seem to come through again floated outta position* - 6
* to the detriment of the flow of our game
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Bergkamp - came on and was just as bad as Pires if not worst, came on for Freddie and failed to provide width, his first touch was terrible, cost us the game - 5
van Persie - the best thing about our game today in all honest, attacking wise, looked like he was gonna win us the game from he got on the pitch - 7
Flamini - came on for a player who was looking better and better with time that went, hard boots to fill but done it well enough - 6
that's my thoughts on the game.
Wenger was the most questionable today, he took too long to take Pires off and taking off our only right sided attacking player was STUPID, so stupid i wanna swear, what the **** was he thinking.
what saddened me even more was the fact that Cygan got MoTM in my opinion by such a clear margin, it was a well deserved award i just wish the rest of the team would've taken his lead.
Lehmann - Calamity Jens again - 6
Lauren - Looked good both attacking and defensively - 7
Toure - Looked good again and made some key track backs as he tried to push up - 7
Cygan - Clearly our best player today - 8
Cole - although looked good was quiet, the partnership between him and pires seems to be a thing of yesterday - 7
Freddie - was running good and got in the game didn't make sense to bring him off - 7
Cesc - was the better of the two midfielders - 7
Vieira - made some good runs but doesn't look the player he was before this real saga - 6
Pires - **** me what was he even doing on the pitch - 5
Reyes - kept floating outta position and trying to play the winger of the central midfielder, attacked well but weren't his game of the season and to be honest looked outta position* as a central striker - 6
Henry - played on the wrong side, seemed to be on the road to improvement but it didn't seem to come through again floated outta position* - 6
* to the detriment of the flow of our game
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Bergkamp - came on and was just as bad as Pires if not worst, came on for Freddie and failed to provide width, his first touch was terrible, cost us the game - 5
van Persie - the best thing about our game today in all honest, attacking wise, looked like he was gonna win us the game from he got on the pitch - 7
Flamini - came on for a player who was looking better and better with time that went, hard boots to fill but done it well enough - 6
that's my thoughts on the game.
Wenger was the most questionable today, he took too long to take Pires off and taking off our only right sided attacking player was STUPID, so stupid i wanna swear, what the **** was he thinking.
Got back from the game an hour ago. Yet another disappointing performance all round really. Atmosphere was great for first 20 minutes then just died, typical of late.
Performance, shocking. Worst i've seen for a long time. Thierry didnt find an Arsenal player once in the first half. Nor did Pires in the second.
Kolo i thought was our best player today. How much can one player do when playing with Cygan. Vieira played well in my opinion, Cesc looks tired and today wasn't his sort of game. Paddy had to do alot of tracking and tackling for him today. The game was more suited for Flamini i think
Performance, shocking. Worst i've seen for a long time. Thierry didnt find an Arsenal player once in the first half. Nor did Pires in the second.
Kolo i thought was our best player today. How much can one player do when playing with Cygan. Vieira played well in my opinion, Cesc looks tired and today wasn't his sort of game. Paddy had to do alot of tracking and tackling for him today. The game was more suited for Flamini i think
sabret00the
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oh and my favourite moment of the game was when you could see henry mouth Paddy after paddy wasted the corner. he looked like he was about to moan some.
reggiepaul's alter ego
Active Member
Henry had a few words with Paddy during the game. Paddy didn't like it.
Then again he could have been telling him a bad joke. Open to speculation.
Then again he could have been telling him a bad joke. Open to speculation.
tristan
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patrick42uk said:
Chelsea do not always play for the one-nil. If they did, they would not have beaten teams by more than one goal as they have a few times this season. I've seen people complain about Palace and their 9-0-1 formation, well, teams do that to Chelsea too. Everton did it today.
arsenal4life
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sabret00the said:
are you on drugs
he was by far the worst him and Pires
but Pires mistake wouldn't cost us
but Cygan cost us 2 points
just replay the tape of the game and watch carfully where were he when the cross was played
he was in the edge of the 18yard box
what the hell is the CB supposed to be in the defense case
in the edge of the box or inside the six yard box
OMG
you can't be really off couse, you must be kidding
he could cost us another two goals
the cross after the goal and with the same mistake !!!!!!!!
one when he returned the ball to Lehmann when he was only 5 feet far from him !!!!!!!!!
FACE IT SIMPLY PLEASE instaed of defendeing the player in right and in wrong
we play with ONLY ONE CB
KOLO TOURE
Gazza Martinez
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This is what it's all about, ladies and gentleman. This is when it comes down to character, determination, and mental strength. Last season was unbelievable, in that there was no November slump for us to manage. I think some people have forgotten that this ALWAYS happens at this time of the season. Last season was one-off. We are not invincible, and never were. Get it out of your heads folks. We are simply a very good team trying to win the title going through a rough patch. Today was a poor result, yes, but when the confidence is low, we should know that our flowing game simply doesn't work. It comes down to grinding out results for a while, much like the first half of last season. If we've forgotten how to grind without the likes of Romford and Keown, well, we're probably fecked. But all we need is to get a win, however ****e the performance, and build from there. That's how we regain form, and it's how we've done it in the past. And there is still plenty of time for us to build to a devastating crescendo once again.
In some ways, I think it's better if Chelsea become the favourites for now. We'll see how they deal with the pressure. This is very much nosebleed territory for them. They've never been considered premiership title favourites before. All we have to do is stick within 4-5 points of them for now, and pounce like lions when we next meet. We can do it. We're usually the ones being stalked by the likes of Chelksi and Man U, well now its OUR turn to be the hunters.
If have complete faith in the strength of this wonderful team, and in the manager. We WILL bounce back, and when we do, everybody knows there will be f*** all they can do to stop it. It's been proven before.
Remember, Arsenal when they're seemingly down and out are as dangerous as ever. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
In some ways, I think it's better if Chelsea become the favourites for now. We'll see how they deal with the pressure. This is very much nosebleed territory for them. They've never been considered premiership title favourites before. All we have to do is stick within 4-5 points of them for now, and pounce like lions when we next meet. We can do it. We're usually the ones being stalked by the likes of Chelksi and Man U, well now its OUR turn to be the hunters.
If have complete faith in the strength of this wonderful team, and in the manager. We WILL bounce back, and when we do, everybody knows there will be f*** all they can do to stop it. It's been proven before.
Remember, Arsenal when they're seemingly down and out are as dangerous as ever. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
