Willian

[samshere]

doesn't sound like he's coming for the right reasons if true

Isn't this the usual stuff players say while leaving the club though. Im sure I've heard it before

 

[Vinci]

What are the right reasons?

Money.

 

[KrissKringle]

Money.

 

[Garrincha]

Cant blame him wanting to stay in London with his home & business. Took the long way here early days via Ukraine / Russia.

 

[Halcyon Daze]

No you can’t blame him. But you can blame us. You don’t get top drawer wingers at 34/35. Three year deal is stupidity. You see some out and out wingers being moved to the middle in their latter years, like Giggs, but Willian ain’t that guy.

 

[Makingtrax]

This picture sums it up with Kia looking like a cleaner. He always knew what was going to happen with David Luiz and Willian reunited.

He looks p!ssed, like he's just been given 'all you can eat' at Luiz and Willian's restaurant, but just found out he's got to pay for it.

 

[Manberg]

No you can’t blame him. But you can blame us. You don’t get top drawer wingers at 34/35. Three year deal is stupidity. You see some out and out wingers being moved to the middle in their latter years, like Giggs, but Willian ain’t that guy.

Willian doesn’t look like he’s lost pace. His age is not an issue.

 

[MutableEarth]

Technically he seems to have the talent to do so, but from what I’ve seen of him I question his mentality. He’s gone hiding a bit and instead of using his qualities and take players on or shoot he looks for someone to hand over the ball to too often.

It’s gotten better with time under Arteta though and could be he needs to build his confidence. I’d like to see him loaned out and get consistent playing time, but he has a lot to prove. Loan to Championship side and I’d expect 15+ g/a otherwise move him on.

He has the talent to be an extremely good player, but he's just had a very up and down season due to a couple niggly injuries and lack of confidence. He ultimately needs more regular football to build up some momentum and confidence to be as good as I know he can be.

I support sending him on loan somewhere he can play 30+ games next season with mostly starts. Loan should be the most we do with him this Summer. I'm already pissed at potentially losing AMN, to lose Nelson in the same Summer would be very ****ty.

No you can’t blame him. But you can blame us. You don’t get top drawer wingers at 34/35. Three year deal is stupidity. You see some out and out wingers being moved to the middle in their latter years, like Giggs, but Willian ain’t that guy.

TBF, he's not 34/35 yet, he has a couple more years to go. Likely he won't stay longer than his contract. From a short term point of view, I don't think this is necessarily a bad signing but you can't view these things in a vacuum and I think too many signings like this has put people off of what is IMO a pretty OK decision.

 

[A_G]

What are the right reasons?

He's only coming because Chelsea don't want him anymore. His first choice would have been to stay with them.

 

[KrissKringle]

He's only coming because Chelsea don't want him anymore. His first choice would have been to stay with them.

He'll be motivated to prove them wrong.

 

[Hleb's Sirush]

No you can’t blame him. But you can blame us. You don’t get top drawer wingers at 34/35. Three year deal is stupidity. You see some out and out wingers being moved to the middle in their latter years, like Giggs, but Willian ain’t that guy.

You are right in that you don't see many wingers at that age. The only thing I would say is that most elite wingers have pace to burn. Quite often their biggest strength. With Willian I'm trying to remember but can't recall him ever being rapid, that to me suggest he shouldn't decline as fast as most traditional wingers.

Giggs btw was still playing as a winger till he was 34 years old. Only was moved central after he turned 35.

 

[Halcyon Daze]

You are right in that you don't see many wingers at that age. The only thing I would say is that most elite wingers have pace to burn. Quite often their biggest strength. With Willian I'm trying to remember but can't recall him ever being rapid, that to me suggest he shouldn't decline as fast as most traditionally wingers.

Giggs btw was still playing as a winger till he was 34 years old. Only was moved central after he turned 35.

Giggs was declining a lot as a winger at that age, but had a renaissance when moved to the middle. Pretty sure any united fan will tell you he spent too long on the wing at that age. Pretty sure the sports science guys at Juve said Ronaldo had the physicality of a guy in his early 20’s or something when they signed him. Not comparing them obviously, but I’m hoping they’ve done some serious medical analysis of this guy.

 

[tap-in]

No you can’t blame him. But you can blame us. You don’t get top drawer wingers at 34/35. Three year deal is stupidity. You see some out and out wingers being moved to the middle in their latter years, like Giggs, but Willian ain’t that guy.

But he's not 34/35 he'll be 32 on 9th Aug. For £15.6m over 3 years he doesn't even need to be playing in his 3rd year for it to be a good deal. If he can still help out so much the better. This signing leaves us with funds to use elsewhere, if we were City we wouldn't need to do this but we aren't so we have!

 

[Hleb's Sirush]

Giggs was declining a lot as a winger at that age, but had a renaissance when moved to the middle. Pretty sure any united fan will tell you he spent too long on the wing at that age. Pretty sure the sports science guys at Juve said Ronaldo had the physicality of a guy in his early 20’s or something when they signed him. Not comparing them obviously, but I’m hoping they’ve done some serious medical analysis of this guy.

Giggs was declining a lot, but then again he was extremely quick to begin with. For those type of players they have to adapt quickly because they can't play how they used to. With Willian I can't remember seeing him flying past defenders, so maybe he can still have same output when he is in his early 30's as he did in his prime.

Still I'm not sure what to make of this deal. It does seem a risky move on our part but at the same time I also think it could turn out to be a good move. As long as we also recruit in other more needed positions I'm for it.

 

[Halcyon Daze]

But he's not 34/35 he'll be 32 on 9th Aug. For £15.6m over 3 years he doesn't even need to be playing in his 3rd year for it to be a good deal. If he can still help out so much the better. This signing leaves us with funds to use elsewhere, if we were City we wouldn't need to do this but we aren't so we have!

But you’re assuming he’ll play well in the first 1/2 years. His mentality now is this is his final payday, that’s a risk. Also, if it was that simple as you say why didn’t Chelsea give him 3 years? We’re offering him less money, but a longer contract. Why are their fans not that bothered about him leaving?

 

[GDeep™]

Meh. Not finishing top 4 with these signings, that’s for sure.

 

[Beksl]

He's only coming because Chelsea don't want him anymore. His first choice would have been to stay with them.

Doesn't mean anything, he's still likely to perform for us.

 

[Halcyon Daze]

Meh. Not finishing top 4 with these signings, that’s for sure.

So you know who we’re signing? Tell us.

 

[Halcyon Daze]

Doesn't mean anything, he's still likely to perform for us.

Why is it likely? Could go either way.

 

[truth_hurts]

He's only coming because Chelsea don't want him anymore. His first choice would have been to stay with them.

Chelsea offered him a contract. That's like your woman saying you are trying to get rid of her after proposing.