Malang Sarr

[Riou]

You have to compare what you had when you were successful with what you had when you weren't to understand problems. That's how you fix them. The problem is at Arsenal we dont invest in our defence and nobody can argue that point with me as the evidence is there. Make a list of the cost of the centre backs over the last 20 years. The total of them probably doesn't even match what we paid for our current front 3 and we are maybe talking about 15 CBs. I know attackers cost more but it still isnt good enough.

It's quite funny that the CB Arsène spent most on (Mustafi) is the worst defender he signed, while the CB he spent least on (Sol) was the best one he signed

 

[14Henry]

It's quite funny that the CB Arsène spent most on (Mustafi) is the worst defender he signed, while the CB he spent least on (Sol) was the best one he signed

He signed him on a free and was a one of deal. A one of deal doesnt eclipse the other business. Basically he got lucky with Sol as he contract ended, he wanted to stay in London and at that time we were fighting with United for the league in a 2 horse race.

The minute we fell away abit we couldnt identify good defenders and attract them.

The club has a huge question mark over centre backs. Even defenders in general.

Lauren. Bought as a midfielder.
Toure bought as a midfielder.
Campbell free.
Cole academy.

After that we had:

Debuchy
Sagna
Luhzny
Senderos
Cygan
Djourou
Squillaci
Silvestre
Koscielny
Gallas
Metresacker
Stepanovs
Vermaelen
Eboue
Santos
Monreal
Holding
Chambers
Luiz
Sokratis
Mustafi.

That's only of the top of my head. How many were good? Sagna, Gallas, Kos, Per? Monreal was solid. So out of 21 defenders theres been about 5 decent ones. That isnt a very good %.

 

[Monstar-Gunn4r]

He signed him on a free and was a one of deal. A one of deal doesnt eclipse the other business. Basically he got lucky with Sol as he contract ended, he wanted to stay in London and at that time we were fighting with United for the league in a 2 horse race.

The minute we fell away abit we couldnt identify good defenders and attract them.

The club has a huge question mark over centre backs. Even defenders in general.

Lauren. Bought as a midfielder.
Toure bought as a midfielder.
Campbell free.
Cole academy.

After that we had:

Debuchy
Sagna
Luhzny
Senderos
Cygan
Djourou
Squillaci
Silvestre
Koscielny
Gallas
Metresacker
Stepanovs
Vermaelen
Eboue
Santos
Monreal
Holding
Chambers
Luiz
Sokratis
Mustafi.

That's only of the top of my head. How many were good? Sagna, Gallas, Kos, Per? Monreal was solid. So out of 21 defenders theres been about 5 decent ones. That isnt a very good %.

Steve Rowley saying Van Djik was too nonchalant is painful when you look at that list.

 

[14Henry]

Steve Rowley saying Van Djik was too nonchalant is painful when you look at that list.

Yeah. Especially when you think the risk was 13m. Huge mistake but that's typical Arsenal. Turn down the chance to sign someone who looks the part and sign Mustafi who never seemed convincing.

I have friends who live in Spain and follow La Liga and they said Valencia fans couldnt believe someone signed Mustafi for 35m.

 

[Monstar-Gunn4r]

Yeah. Especially when you think the risk was 13m. Huge mistake but that's typical Arsenal. Turn down the chance to sign someone who looks the part and sign Mustafi who never seemed convincing.

I have friends who live in Spain and follow La Liga and they said Valencia fans couldnt believe someone signed Mustafi for 35m.

Didn't our scout in Spain at the time say he was nowhere near good enough for Arsenal but got overuled by statsdna?

 

[14Henry]

Didn't our scout in Spain at the time say he was nowhere near good enough for Arsenal but got overuled by statsdna?

Yeah. People blame statDNA but ultimately a human has to judge in the end. And whoever made the call was horribly wrong.

 

[MutableEarth]

Didn't our scout in Spain at the time say he was nowhere near good enough for Arsenal but got overuled by statsdna?

He was overruled by Gazidis. I wish people would stop blaming StatDNA - they just collated the stats!

 

[Gunner-Union]

I’d like to get rid but we’d have to spend that money on getting a replacement like eduoard which would be an upgrade

 

[tap-in]

Yeah. People blame statDNA but ultimately a human has to judge in the end. And whoever made the call was horribly wrong.

Yeah statDNA just helped us highlight potential players to take a proper look at. At the end of the day our poor signings are down to the scouts and the decision makers, not the statDNA team who trawl through hours of footage.

 

[Monstar-Gunn4r]

He was overruled by Gazidis. I wish people would stop blaming StatDNA - they just collated the stats!

So Gazisdis used a crystal ball to make the decision? If Statdna were indicating several players we signed were good before we signed them and they were bad for us it is probably a bad source to inform our transfers.

 

[Shalmaneser V]

Yeah. Especially when you think the risk was 13m. Huge mistake but that's typical Arsenal. Turn down the chance to sign someone who looks the part and sign Mustafi who never seemed convincing.

I have friends who live in Spain and follow La Liga and they said Valencia fans couldnt believe someone signed Mustafi for 35m.

G. Nev said something similar too. Reckoned Valencia couldn’t give him away before Arsenal came calling.

 

[benjamin86]

So Gazisdis used a crystal ball to make the decision? If Statdna were indicating several players we signed were good before we signed them and they were bad for us it is probably a bad source to inform our transfers.

Data/stats are only as good as the user interpreting it.

 

[benjamin86]

He signed him on a free and was a one of deal. A one of deal doesnt eclipse the other business. Basically he got lucky with Sol as he contract ended, he wanted to stay in London and at that time we were fighting with United for the league in a 2 horse race.

The minute we fell away abit we couldnt identify good defenders and attract them.

The club has a huge question mark over centre backs. Even defenders in general.

Lauren. Bought as a midfielder.
Toure bought as a midfielder.
Campbell free.
Cole academy.

After that we had:

Debuchy
Sagna
Luhzny
Senderos
Cygan
Djourou
Squillaci
Silvestre
Koscielny
Gallas
Metresacker
Stepanovs
Vermaelen
Eboue
Santos
Monreal
Holding
Chambers
Luiz
Sokratis
Mustafi.

That's only of the top of my head. How many were good? Sagna, Gallas, Kos, Per? Monreal was solid. So out of 21 defenders theres been about 5 decent ones. That isnt a very good %.

Gabriel is about the only 1 i can think of that you've missed who we signed instead of Van Dijk...woops

 

[Red London]

Arsenal are gonna slide into his DMs now that we got them relegated

 

[field442]

Arsenal are gonna slide into his DMs now that we got them relegated

This is a different Sarr.

 

[benjamin86]

Watford Sarr is Ismaïla.

 

[Red London]

This is a different Sarr.

Oh thought we had a thread for Ismaila too

 

[MD3 Gunner]

Watford Sarr is Ismaïla.

No way he's staying there. Too good for the championship. Could see Palace make a move for him if the sell Zaha

 

[Monstar-Gunn4r]

Data/stats are only as good as the user interpreting it.

No it also depends on the stats themselves as well, a whole pile of useless or irrelevant stats are still useless. If the statistical analysis provides zero context for the stats... which stats dna seem to then they are useless. Several stat websites offer as much as I reckon stats dna offer.

Edit: if this is their teama then no wonder the signings based upon their recommendations are a disaster... who there has any experience in analysis of football? TO me I'd say they weren't far passed using clickers and dressing them up in nice powerpoints. https://www.statdna.com/About.aspx

 

[benjamin86]

No way he's staying there. Too good for the championship. Could see Palace make a move for him if the sell Zaha

My best guess is the Pozzo's (Watford owners) "loan" him to Udinese(other club they own). It will be interesting to see what Watford do, other than defense i think they've got a decent team and quite a few decent youngsters.