Swish
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The result doesn't make the blindest bit of difference, so I'm only going to take the positives from the game.
Arsène Wenger said:We were positive and overall I am disappointed because we lost the game but proud of the attitude of our young players.
This.Rohit said:Vela and Theo have barely played this season.
They have the potential of being the world's most feared striker pairing in the world. Both could have done better and there are a number of areas where both can improve and they will because they are just 20.
Most of the chances we created were through Walcott. His pace and timing of his runs is a huge asset that we have missed this season. I really hope he gets a decent run of games.
Another brilliant analysis by Sabre. I'm dumbstruck.asajoseph said:sabret00the said:I'm writing off both Vela and Walcott. We've got a new striker coming in January precisely because these guys couldn't finish the chances they got last night. And with a new striker coming, they won't get many chances to step up. Thus they'll be forced to move.
longrufus said:I'm the opposite really, yesterdays game shows exactly what is wrong with the current footballing philosophy at Arsenal. We can say lets not read too much into the result but for me it speaks volumes. Like so many games with the first team, we dominate, but lack a cutting edge, don't take our chances and pay the price.
Whats worse for me is that this is what Wenger has been building, yet its a carbon copy of what we have already, a team that isn't good enough, and suffers the same pitfalls. Its admirable to play the way we do, but there must come a point where we adapt so we can get results and not just performances.
Sadly precisely. This is a team without any finishers and the we do have all seem to be naturals on the wane. There seems to be **** all emphasis on finishing. Merely this let's tap the ball around until we get it into the box for a tap in. The biggest positive of last night was the fact that these players didn't give it to the full backs to cross in.longrufus said:I'm the opposite really, yesterdays game shows exactly what is wrong with the current footballing philosophy at Arsenal. We can say lets not read too much into the result but for me it speaks volumes. Like so many games with the first team, we dominate, but lack a cutting edge, don't take our chances and pay the price.
Whats worse for me is that this is what Wenger has been building, yet its a carbon copy of what we have already, a team that isn't good enough, and suffers the same pitfalls. Its admirable to play the way we do, but there must come a point where we adapt so we can get results and not just performances.
But that's the problem with the attackers. Henry likes to pull out wide in order to give himself the opportunity to run at players, as did Pires and as do most players that can take on players in the world. With our current crop, no one was doing that. I'm all for fullbacks getting forward when you need em, but not by default, that's the job of the wing-forwards.longrufus said:Sabre, to pick up on the full back point, it showed how one dimensional our side can be. Without the overlapping runs of the full backs we lacked any width to spread the Olympiacos defence and make some decent openings. You cant simply play central attacking midfielders and expect natural width.
longrufus said:Sabre, to pick up on the full back point, it showed how one dimensional our side can be. Without the overlapping runs of the full backs we lacked any width to spread the Olympiacos defence and make some decent openings. You cant simply play central attacking midfielders and expect natural width.
fabo said:longrufus said:I'm the opposite really, yesterdays game shows exactly what is wrong with the current footballing philosophy at Arsenal. We can say lets not read too much into the result but for me it speaks volumes. Like so many games with the first team, we dominate, but lack a cutting edge, don't take our chances and pay the price.
Whats worse for me is that this is what Wenger has been building, yet its a carbon copy of what we have already, a team that isn't good enough, and suffers the same pitfalls. Its admirable to play the way we do, but there must come a point where we adapt so we can get results and not just performances.
Agree 100%.
Not happy one bit. It's easy to see why United are currently more successful - their team is more adaptable than ours, more direct, more strings to their bow in an attacking sense.
You need a really top class team in most departments to reap success with our current style IMO.
fabo said:longrufus said:Sabre, to pick up on the full back point, it showed how one dimensional our side can be. Without the overlapping runs of the full backs we lacked any width to spread the Olympiacos defence and make some decent openings. You cant simply play central attacking midfielders and expect natural width.
The thing is I don't mind the crossing - it should be another part of our attacking armour. But our full-backs, from first team down to youth level, provide a body high up the pitch but nothing in a productive sense and inevitably screw up our defensive shape.
There's a weak, loser's mentality at the club these days. Teams are confident in stifling us and know they'll have a chance.
For me none of Ramsey, Vela or Walcott should be anywhere near starting games and at a push on the bench. Too much garbage at the club.
irishgunnerz said:Only garbage is the judging of players who have almost zero game time. Ramsey was immense last night - easily the best player on the park. As I've said in my post above, if you cant see the difference between players being rusty yet having the natural intelligence to get into great positions and 'rubbish', you simply like complaining for the sake of it.